Emily Jamerson | Appalachian Singer-Songwriter from Eastern Kentucky | Rugged Revival

Lo, Christian. Hearts get broke, tables turn, lose you learn. >> This is Maggie Noel and I love Rugged Revival. >> This is the Rugged Revival podcast. We're your official trademark home at the UK's Country Americana and Roots Music Community. This is officially where all the cowboys and the cowg girls come. >> I got on that. I always delayed. Always 5 minutes behind. Anyway, um yes, good evening uh everybody. Um this evening I'm your host Ronnie and I'm joined by our very own evil little leprechaun TJ. TJ, how you doing? I'm all right. Yeah, it's nice to have you back. Where you been again? >> Uh, well, uh, last time I got told off for being boring, so this time I got abducted by aliens, uh, and then they shaved my ass. How's that? >> Well, that's a disgusting image to be left with, but >> Well, that's you. You told everybody that I got waxed last time, so >> No, it's anal bleaching, actually. Yeah, get it right. >> Yeah, sorry. Anyway, uh it's a very special episode. Not only because our very special guest with us tonight, but it is St. Patrick's Day. Would you believe the green? The green everywhere. TJ, you've done it again. There we go. Yes. Banatina Falia Poric. Happy St. Patrick's Day. Kilia and 100,000 welcomes to the show. I've probably got that completely wrong. So, I do apologize to all my Irish cousins, all my Irish family, and everybody else in Ireland. Uh, but anyway, 100,000 welcomes to the show. Uh, I've I feel like I've been away for so long. Uh, it's nuts. But anyway, so tonight I get to introduce the incredibly talented Emily Jameson. Welcome to the show, Emily. How are you? >> I'm wonderful, especially after that intro. >> Warn you, >> the longest intro in the world. Anyway, so for those listeners who have been stuck in a time warp, uh, and don't know who you are, could you introduce yourself and tell us what do you do? >> Um, I'm Emily Jamerson. I'm from Eastern Kentucky and I do many things. One of which is writing songs and singing them for people who want to listen. >> Fabulous. >> What the hell? Sorry. We had we had a bunch of snow and ice yesterday and now it's melting and I don't know if I heard that sliding somewhere or if it was a cat, but I heard heard a strange sound. >> Ah, we used toes. It's all >> Yeah, we used to now tornadoes, snowstorms, ice. It's cool. We're >> It'll be 70 by the weekend, so >> Yeah. Well, >> it's Kentucky weather. >> Yeah. >> But anyway, >> weather's on here anyway. With weather, all the weather's on here. It's um why not? Uh so Emily, we don't normally do this uh because normally I go into the the family stuff and a bit about you first, but >> we're going to play a little game first. >> So would you help me with a game? >> Sure. >> Wonderful. So last episode, uh was it last episode? No, it wasn't. It was Maggie Noel uh that I was there for. I've missed two so far. That's really bad. >> Where you being? >> Um aliens. >> Oh. Oh yeah, that's right. Sorry. >> Yeah, aliens. Yeah, that's fine. >> Um, so we're we're going to start the game tonight. Um, and I can't remember where where I'm going from there. Anyway, Maggie, uh, a couple of episodes. Yeah. So, we play a little game called TJ with his face like TJ, play the music, please. >> TJ with his face. TJ with his face. TJ with his face. Yes, this is TJ with his face like >> All right, cut it again. Too long. It's too long. Anyway, >> face like >> face like >> TJ with his face like. So, I'll give you an example, Emily, before I get you to answer. So, um, our examples that we've used previously is TJ with his face like a moldy parnip, TJ with his face like an explosion in a [ __ ] factory, or TJ with his face like a dirty dishwasher. So, Emily, could you give us TJ with his face like >> I didn't consent to this game, by the way. Emily, >> do I have to select one that you just said or I make up my own? >> No, you're going to make your own one. Yeah. >> Okay. TJ with the crusty um toenails. >> TJ with his face like crusty toenails. >> Yes. Thank you so much. >> That is epic. There you go, TJ. >> Collection, shall we? Yeah. Thanks for that, Ronnie. >> Everybody loves it. Can't wait to go back and watch these. Anyway, now back to the reason why we're here to find out and talk about you, Emily. Um, could you give us your background, where you grew up, give us some of your childhood stories, and tell us a bit about you? >> Well, prepare to be bored. >> I'm just kidding. Uh, >> I grew up in Eastern Kentucky. Uh, I live in the same town where I've lived my whole life. And um I have three brothers and yeah, we just we grew up going to church singing and you with four kids it was pretty rowdy uh at home and um yeah, we just had a good time. Played sports, sang in church and just raised hell. But uh yeah, that's that's what you do. >> That's what you do with brothers. Yeah. >> Do you have any Irish roots? Assume as it's St. Patrick's Day. Do you have any Irish roots? >> According to Ancestry DNA, I do. >> Oh, interesting. >> Irish and Scottish. Jamerson. So, I I looked back on it and I think it was originally Jameson and then at some point someone changed the spelling, but Yeah. Yeah. Well, I did notice actually on the bottle of Jameson that I did have that there was no R in it. So, I thought I'd add an R for you >> down the bottom. >> So, now it's a bottle of of your whiskey for St. Patrick's. >> Have a sip for me or tea. >> Absolutely. Have a little tipple and we'll >> Thank you for sharing that with us, Emily. It's much appreciated. So, uh we've started doing a new thing now. I won't I won't explain. And I'll let TJ explain later, but we do we do something called a soundtrack to your life. So, could you tell me a song that you remember the most from your childhood or growing up? >> The Eagles comes to mind. Um, >> yes, >> I guess, you know, probably like peaceful, easy feeling. I know that's that's like a you know that's a popular song of theirs, but I just remember um our dad liked the Eagles and he liked Bob Seager and I have a uh just a specific memory of us going we're driving to West Virginia to go skiing and listening to Bob Seager and the Eagles and just you know that was just a fun time that we all got to be together and um that's what I think about my dad when I think about the Eagles. >> Good memories. That's great. >> Good memories. >> Emily, thank you very much for for putting up with me at the start of it. Uh I'm going to hand over to TJ >> with all his questions. >> Yeah, your dad's got excellent taste, Emily. And um again, thank you for um coming on the show, putting up with our ridiculous uh opening kind of segment that we do. It's funny how it only goes on for quite long when Ronnie opens up this show. You know, I'm I'm, you know, completely professional. But anyway, you know, just a little bit about Ronnie. Um, for people that don't know, it was his actual birthday uh last Friday. Uh, his actual birthday because he has a fake one, Emily, uh, later in the year, uh, that he puts on Facebook. >> Like the queen. >> Yeah, he's like the queen. So, he has two birthdays. I think the other one's in September, isn't it? But your actual birthday was on Friday. >> And, uh, for your actual birthday, uh, you were gifted tickets to Country to Country. Uh, and if you're not familiar with that, Emily, so we've got this massive kind of country music festival. It's in London and uh Glasgow and I think it's in Manchester now. >> Yeah, Belfast. So, it's all over. So, anyone who's anyone in the world of country music is there and obviously Ronny, you know, the most famous person in the, you know, podcasting world of country music. So, but in in true Rugged Revival fashion and even though it was his birthday, you know, Ronnie was working his little boots off and he managed to get some interviews, some pictures and some general content uh for the Rugged Revival. So, shall we take a look at that very quickly? So, I'll turn the uh the volume up so you can you can hear it. >> Right. So, this is uh Ronny's uh adventure. >> Ronnie's Adventure. >> Yes. This is Ronnie from the Ruggie Revival, the home of the UK's country Americana Roots Music Community. I am here on my birthday at C2C in London. London way down, but it gets hotter than a coochie. We lay rubber on a Birmingham asphalt. We got a little mental, but we never got caught down by a river on a flying night. Right. Pyramid cans in a pale moonlight talking about cars and dreaming about beans. Never plan a living for the in knew how much I follow what I meant to me. >> You had an amazing time at country to country. Well, you could probably guess from >> the Stones being there. Yeah, >> I I couldn't believe they were there. Well, to be fair, I'll let you in on a secret. That was a load of bollocks really. And I think the uh Stones probably give it away. And you didn't actually meet Brooks and Dunn either, did you? Um, >> no, I didn't. >> You didn't. So, the reason uh you didn't get any footage and I had to make all of that up because you got really bloody drunk, didn't you? And uh didn't send me any any material uh any videos or anything. So, um so yeah, that was a a fantastic coverage of country to country. But if anyone's listening from country to country, I think we'd like to be involved in the next event. But if you can plan it not around Ronny's birthday, you know, I think that would probably work out better. And you know, give us some press passes because um you know, we'd like to mingle with the rich and famous and Ronny promises to do a better job next time. >> Get so drunk >> and not get so drunk. Anyway, so uh that was Ronny's adventures at Country to Country. >> I felt like I was there. >> Did you? It was amazing, wasn't it? You know, I felt like I was there, too. >> Brilliant. Well, look, again, thank you for coming on, Emily. Um we'll we'll try and be professional from here with um Philip Bowen uh we had on this show uh just previously. Uh love that guy. Such an interesting cool dude. Another guy from Appalachia. But Philillip um recommended we speak to you. Uh your name was on our list for a long time to to want to speak to anyway. But uh you know Philip gave that an extra push and um you know it's really nice to have you finally on. Um >> thank you for having me. >> There you go. But um yeah, just briefly, so you know, I think it's, you know, something we need to touch on because in Kentucky named Jameson, you know, not just in fake bottles of whiskey, but in, you know, Kentucky in general carries a lot of weight. Uh and I think that's down, you know, down to yourself and down to your brother Nicholas. So, we had uh Nicholas on last September. You know, time flies. I can't believe when I checked it was September. >> But this is your stage tonight. you know, Nick had his chance to speak to us and, you know, get his word out to the masses. Um, but yeah, growing up with somebody that's revered as much as Nick, you know, is there anything about him that fans perhaps wouldn't expect? Do you have any dish, you know, dirt you can dish on him as your your older brother? You know, >> any dirt? I mean, I'm sure I could think of something. >> Um, I don't know that I >> We'll just make it up. You know, we're up for that. You've seen what we do. You know, I'm just going to be the annoying little sister and and share this story because it it is one of my favorite memories of Nicholas. Um, we're only 16 months apart. He's older, but uh you know, we're close in age and uh I went through puberty before he did and got like armpit hair before he did. And he's the one that pointed it out to me that I had it. And then uh but he didn't have any. And uh one evening our mom like cut the hair off of the back of our dad's neck. And our dad has black or had black hair. And Nicholas had like blonde lighter colored hair when we were younger. And uh he goes down to the basement and comes back up a little while later with the shirt off and raises his arms. And he had glued that hair to his armpits. and like, "Oh, wow. It's finally happened. It's finally happened. He's He's hit puberty." >> He sprouted. What age was that? Was that 21, 22? >> Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. >> He was probably that old before he could grow a beard >> or to be fair. I'm 41 and I still I'm with you, Nick. You know, it took me a while to get there, but uh yeah, solidarity with him. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah, most people don't want to uh dish to do it, but you were you were quite quick in there, Emily. So, straight >> in there. Been waiting to share that. >> Yeah. >> Well, you know, we enjoyed listening about your childhood and everything else and um but we'd like to, you know, what's going on now. So, what does the kind of typical day or week look like in the Emily Jameson household? What what do you get up to? >> Well, I wake up at 4:45 in the morning and go to the gym. >> Wow. And then I come home and p and then I go to work and I work for a few hours and then I come home and I p some more. >> Mhm. >> And uh you know play play the guitar, sing, uh you know interact with my cats, crochet. Would you all like to see my project that I'm working on? >> I would love to see love it. I'm doing a temperature blanket for the for 2026. So every day is a row. Oh >> and the row is determined by the temperature high that day. So >> Oh wow. Interesting. >> That is uh that's brilliant. >> Yeah. >> Is there anything that you can't do? Um, I haven't tried to to pee standing up, but I you know, >> well, I wasn't expecting those answers, but uh it's nice to know the precise, you know, day that that happens in your household, but uh fantastic. you know, we we just give, you know, fans a peak behind the scenes of the rich and famous and, you know, the artists that >> But, uh, we also like to ask, so, you know, we we have a lot of friends out in Kentucky mainly and and we've had a lot of guests on for Virginia, so all across the Appalachian region, but um, but for you, you know, I like to ask this question. Um, you know, what does the, you know, growing up and being in a region mean to you and particularly as an Appalachin woman? you know, I I feel like my whole family is from here and and getting to still live here, I feel like even though my family has has passed on, um you know, you still feel connected to them here because they've they've been here so long and their their bones are here and um you know, Appalachin people are resilient and strong and uh I feel like that's shaped who I am. You know, we've we all go through things and we all have [ __ ] that we we go through. But I don't know, there's something about Appalachins. It seems like we we keep getting [ __ ] on, but they're just some of the best people that you'll ever meet and would give you the shirt off your back. And I think that's that's really special. >> Yeah, I I think you've summed it up there. You know, we we've said it a few times on the podcast, but when we set this up a year or so ago, the first people that we met online and, you know, through through the podcast were people like Josh Mitchum and, you know, people from Kentucky and, you know, welcomed with opened arms and we haven't been told to piss off yet, you know, which is incredible really. Um, so it just shows how resilient you guys are and uh welcoming. Um, but yeah, we we love the region and um, you know, we we're hoping to visit there at some point. Um, but I suppose a lot of people romanticize certain, you know, states and particularly if they've not been there. Um, do you think there's, you know, any parts of Kentucky that people romanticize too much with the way the scene is at the minute or anything that they failed to appreciate perhaps? >> Um, anything that they that they overromanticize? >> Yeah. Um, sometimes I think like these romanticize probably isn't the right way or right term. um you know like a lot of these small towns I think people do romanticize them because they're cute and they're quaint but like if you kind of pull back and look at the reality you know those are towns that are really struggling and uh you know and it's it's an impoverished area and uh I think that sometimes just because I I think also now like it's cool to be from Appalachia it's cool to be Appalachia Um, but I think part of being Appalachin or really appreciating and understanding it is seeing the big picture of it and and though it is sweet and it's quaint and there's a lot of good um you know just not forgetting to recognize the the reality of of what's going on around here. >> Yeah. No, thanks for sharing that. That's um it's an interesting take because we have our own kind of um images in our head of what it's like out there through what people describe and like you say I think well we know it's an impoverished area and really bad in some places. So uh you know is that an influence on the music? Is it an influence in the way that you write and the way that you you put your music together? >> You know my I feel like most of my music is just based off of a feeling. So, wherever the feeling comes from, um, you know, some of it is, uh, you know, based off of experiences living here, some of it's based off of experiences with people from here. But, yeah, I mean, I guess it does. I guess, you know, it has to. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So um I I suppose before we delve into your music uh a bit more. So in terms of you know folk who are yet to discover your music, you know in a sentence or two, how would you describe your your own sound? >> I don't really know what my sound like what to compare my sound to. Um, but like in terms of my writing and the messages behind what I'm singing about, you know, it's very like empowering or I hope that it's empowering, especially to women. And um I don't I don't know what what what to compare my sound to though. Um what would you compare my sound to? >> H yeah, it's it's difficult. And you shouldn't put the questions back to us. We ask the questions, you know, that's >> what you did. >> I want to um I I would say, and this is going to sound very cuz I'm very much a huge old school country music um fan. I I I love listening to the words that um and and the songs that people have made. And you know, listening to to your music, um, I I find like a bit of a George Jones, Randy Travisy, Tammy Winnette twang to it because of your background, because you put so much of that feeling into it. And and quite honestly, you you can you can feel it. say I've said it about some of the artists we've had on. You can really feel that music and it's it's just it's bizarre to say but you can feel it and you can listen to what you're saying and I mean there was one one part of the song that I was listening to um and and it was around the sinners and the saints which which um which just got me and it just I I don't know there was there was something about it that I was I just wanted to listen to more of it and sort of tell a story with it. So, um, that's what I feel anyway. Um, but everybody feels music in their own way, don't they? >> Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Um, yeah, I think I I've been influenced by Loretta Lynn, too. you know, she's from this area. And >> uh I I watched Cole Miner's daughter growing up and >> yeah, >> when I first started learning guitar and singing, I was learning her songs because they were simple to play. And um >> and she was just writing and singing about real stuff. And uh and so I think that's yeah I mean I I think at times I've tried to resist that and and I I don't know why just just I guess try and trying to find my own sound. Um but I do feel a lot of influence from from her and yeah and like George Jones and you know that that sort of era of country music. I wrote a song this week um doing this songwriter challenge. We did it last year. We wrote one song a week for a year and we just started the second round and the song I wrote for today feels very like old school country like could hear George Jones singing it. >> Yeah, I know. And and there's very few people that can Sorry to interrupt by the way DJ. There's very few people that can that can pull that style and that can pull that pull them chords from and and making you think about that. There's very few people that can do that. So to have that talent is is incredible and I can seriously hear that in in your songs is so powerful. Um especially you know some of the >> I know we we talked about uh you talked about empowering women um I mean your songs trying to empower the women in your songs and everything else and you can really feel that as well and I was talking to funny enough I was talking to Maggie Noel about that last time um that is such a difficult industry to to be a part of that and to really rep and empower people to do that at the same time because it's very difficult to get that that message across. But um yeah, thank you. Thanks for sharing. >> Thank you. >> I can't wait to hear that song, by the way. >> It sounds pretty cool. Like I I don't uh >> not not every song is that I've written within this challenge has been a song that I will ever play again, but uh every now and then one will come out that I like. And >> yeah, >> I like this one. I think it it could be cool. >> Good. Yeah. So, so with I mean it's interesting you say a song a week that sounds an enormous kind of task to to do. Are they complete songs or are they just parts of songs that you share when it becomes submission time? >> Well, there's you know what defines a song is up to you. So, um you know it can be a full complete song. It can be something that lasts like 30 seconds. When I started it last year, I I went into it ju just like every song has to have two verses and a bridge and a a chorus. And as the year went on, it it just was becoming difficult to do that every week. And I listened to some of the other submissions and I thought, okay, I can relax a little bit. And so it's been good cuz it's like, you know, forced me to let go a little bit because I I kind of get stuck sometimes in writing, waiting, trying to make it perfect or whatever that means. But uh and with this, it's like you just have to finish it and then and move on. And there have been some that I've finished it just enough to have a submission and then I'll go back later and and continue working on it. But uh it yeah it's it it's tough and and there were times at the end of it that I was just ready for it to be over and you know just trying to to power through. But after taking a few weeks off uh from it before starting this new round I'm glad to be back in it. you got a second wind for doing it. It's um >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's interesting. So, I mean, how I perceive your kind of style of writing is it's quite introspect and correct me if I'm wrong, but do you start typically with with the lyrics with the words and then work out the melodies after? So, so is that how you're approaching the songwriters rounds as well? The sorry the the submissions >> usually. Yeah. I start with um the words, sometimes a melody. Sometimes the melody and the words come to me at the same time, but um usually it's the lyrics. >> Yeah. Fantastic. Okay. Well, let's kind of delve back a slightly. So, you know, I was we always go through the Spotify um back catalog just to have a listen to your early stuff and then kind of work our way forward because it's it's interesting and just to see how the sound develops. And you know, we started with the the Dead Street sessions in 2022. Uh, that was cool. So, yeah, tell us about it. You know, getting to the point of, you know, pulling your own music out. What was it like? >> I feel really lucky that that worked out the way that that did. That was a um started out as a YouTube video that um Dead Street did to promote a festival that we have in Pikeville. It's called the Mountain Girl Experience. It's an all female music festival. And um I last year was the first year that I had not gotten to be a part of it since it started. But um I I did a like a an interview. They asked me questions. I sang those songs and then they put it out on YouTube and then he later asked me about putting the songs on streaming. And uh so it, you know, I I'm lucky that he was able to do that, but I I will be honest. I don't talk about that enough just because that was when I kind of first started really putting myself out there. And you know, we're always hardest on ourselves. And looking back on that, I'm just thinking, you know, like just hearing where I've improved and um which that part is good, but it just kind of makes you cringe a little bit when you go back and listen to your earlier stuff. >> No, I mean, so many people have said that to us and then, you know, down the line they're like, I'm I'm so glad that we put that out there. We've had people that have been recording vocals in in a cupboard because they just didn't have the studio space. you know, those type of stories. And um I think for Presley her, we found this absolute random video on on face on YouTube when she was in the back of her a car, you know, at 17 years old and she cringes at that. But we find all this stuff, you know, that's what we do. We deep, you know, dig deep into the archives just to embarrass you really. But no, I I I love to listen to it cuz I think it's a journey in terms of your your musical career and to put that out, you know, it's great. But, you know, you've you've then released, you know, some fantastic uh singles after that. So, 2024 and 25 uh you released about five or six songs so far, haven't you? So, um you know, I think the latest one, uh I'm looking at the timeline on here, but you've released some songs with the Jenkins twins, uh who we're big fans of, and you know, done some other collaborations, uh with Grayson Jenkins and of course your brother Nick on the Narrow Way, his album. Um, so is that how you're kind of, you know, trying to find your feet with not just releasing your own stuff, but um, you know, trying to collaborate with other artists, too? >> Yeah, I mean, I my goal is to put out more of my own stuff, but in the meantime, it's been fun to collaborate with friends and um, you know, still have have some music out there. But um I'm in the process of trying to like like in the pre-planning stages of recording and my plan is to go into the studio this summer and start working on something. >> Cool. We we can't wait to hear that. So with with the work with Nick that you've done, has he has he taught you a thing or two uh in terms of the writing aspects, the recording, you know, given you some uh tips from Big Brother? um you know, his he just leads by example really and and I try to to observe him when you know we're in those types of settings and he's he's just done it for so long and um yeah, I mean he's he's helped me a ton. But I I feel like I could just and I feel like I have just been like a shadow uh like just trying to absorb what just a little bit of what he knows and what he does. >> Yeah, >> he's he's a good one. >> And Sunday Dennis is one of the one of my favorite tracks on that particular album. And you know, do you want to tell us a little bit about that song and kind of what it meant to write that one? >> Uh well, I didn't write that song. Um that was that was all Nicholas. Um but you know our parents divorced when we were in high school and um I think that was just 20 years of processing and holding on to stuff and then processing it dealing with the divorce and uh allowing that all to sort of manifest in that song. And it's been good to sing. Um, you know, we don't sing it a lot just because it is kind of heavy. >> Yeah. >> But it also feels cathartic when we do get to sing it and it's just such a beautiful song. Uh, I love it so much. Um, I feel lucky to to be singing on it. Yeah, it's um we definitely, you know, implore people to go and and check that out. Um also enjoying, you know, the performances you put out there. So, you mentioned some early performances on YouTube and, you know, the Laurel Cove stuff um is fantastic as well. Big fans of Laurel Cove. Hoping to get out there at some point. Um you know, if they've seen Ronny's work at Country to Country, then I'm sure we'll get some press passes there, mate. There you go. There you go. Emily will put a good word in for us, I'm sure. >> Definitely. Yeah, I know people. >> There you go. There you go. So, um, so what what's it been like? So, obviously recording and writing is one thing, but, you know, pulling yourself out there on a stage is another and particularly somewhere Laurel Cove where the audiences are getting huge uh these days. So, you know, what what's your experiences been like of that? It's It's been pretty wild. You know, the first year that I played there, um I guess I've played there the last two years and uh the first year I was pretty nervous. Um but last year, I mean, I was I'm always nervous before I go on stage, but um Laurel Cove is just like a magical place. It's it's so special and and the people that come to it are like they're so locked in. And for me, that always put like makes makes it better and easier to get up there because you know that they're they're listening to you. You know, you're not having to sing or sing over them. And uh you know, just something like that. Uh, you know, there's some places you play that you're just background noise and trying to sing over the drunkards, but not at Laurel Cove. It's like you leave there feeling just like a sense of renewal. I don't know. It's It's hard to explain. You really just have to experience it, guys. >> We do. We do. It It looks a magical place. >> It's beautiful. It's so beautiful. >> Yeah, it it looks beautiful. And with your permission, um, we we've kind of nicked a little bit of the footage from Laurel Cove when you were there. Um, can we play a little bit? Is that all right? >> Sure. >> There you go. We got permission. So, let's uh >> this old house would have burned down ago. Make me an angel that flies from me. Make me a There you go. I think that's one of the best versions that I've I've heard of that particular song. Love it. I love the, you know, the the kind of vision of Laurel Cove, the fact it's raining, you know, it it seems like a really iconic >> with a hose next to Yeah. Put it over. >> We were paying somebody to do that. Yeah, exactly. >> Oh, you ruined your >> but um but but for me I think that's one of the one of the iconic videos from like Laurel Cove over the last um few years for sure. But um Thank you. >> Yeah. I mean what was it like you know like playing in the rain as well? It must be we not scared that microphone is going to kind of blow up on you or you know. No, but uh I did have concerns after just that my guitar might be messed up, but it was fine. It was fine. We got it dried off and it was it was fine. But >> I I I had kind of wanted it to rain. I just didn't um I didn't know it was going to rain that hard. >> Well, that's Kentucky weather apparently, isn't it? >> Fantastic. So, um I mean, why did you choose that particular song? Is that some a song that you kind of play out regularly um as a cover? >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh there's a version Susan Tedeski has covered it before and of course Bonnie Wright, but my my first like real sort of experience with loving that song. It was um Susan Tedeski and Grace Potter and it was just so powerful and beautiful and you know then I started you know just kind of diving deeper into that song and uh it's it's a regular in my set list and we recorded it with my band um for it it's going it will not be on streaming but it will be on like a hard copy of a vinyl record. It's like a charity >> vinyl thing. Women's groovement. They did a volume I think last year. I don't know when it was, but they've got volume one out and this is going to be another volume and there's you know different like I think the local honeys have been on there. Um they were on the previous one. U but it's you know like female artist and then covering various songs and that was the one that we did. So that sounds pretty good. >> Oh, it does. Absolutely. Well, so it's called um Women's Groove. Is that a website that we can direct people to? >> Um uh they've got a an Instagram account and I'm sure that's got more information on there. Um, Lisa Sullivan is the one who runs that, but uh I can I can send that profile to you. >> Yep. Send us the link and we'll include it in the in the description for the podcast >> because I don't know when that's going to come out, but um yeah, I think they're hoping for maybe by the end of the year or next year. So, I just sent you that. >> Thank you. >> Um, >> so is it is it all Appalachin uh female artists that are going to appear on it? >> I think it's all Appalachin. Uh, I I don't want to say for certain cuz I I don't know that they're all Appalachin, but I I'm pretty sure >> that's good enough. >> It's always good enough, Emily. Anyway, right. So, I've got a couple more questions before I hand over to the expert that is Ronnie. Um, but I'm always interested in finding out, you know, speaking to creative people, whether it's an artist, whether it's um somebody from a different part of the industry. But, you know, there there's certain things in any walk of life or any job that we do that we like doing and there's stuff that we really don't like doing. But, from your perspective, you know, focusing on your artistry, what are the things that you like doing the most? Good question. >> It is a good question. Um, I think what I like the most is the feeling that comes from creating something like because writing has like it started out really as a way for me to, you know, deal with whatever, you know, process things. That's I think that's why a lot of people get into art as a way to just deal with life and um and so I think that feeling that you get when you write a song that's like really moving and it really touches you like you just can't you can't beat that and you can't replicate that. like you, you know, it brings things to the surface and um and you just have this opportunity to take something that's painful and make it beautiful. And I don't know. I think that's that's why we I don't know. that's why we do it, you know, and and then you put it out and you or you share it with somebody and it resonates and then suddenly you're not alone and um there's just something comforting about that. >> Love it. And there's got to be a [ __ ] ton of stuff that you really do not like doing. What would be your your number one if if Ronny could wave his magic wand and make it go away? What what kind of uh things would you would you add to that >> in within the music industry? You mean? >> Yes. Yeah. >> I would like to be able to just sit backstage with a microphone and do my set to where nobody can see me. That's my least favorite part is like going out on the stage and being seen. Uh cuz I'm always like when I'm at a show with like watching a show or listening to somebody else sing, I'm always wanting to sing harmony with them. But I don't want to be on stage. I would like to just kind of be over like in the crowd even with a microphone and just sing in the harmonies with them. So if we could figure out a way to do that, >> that would be cool. Sing you in the crowd. That could be a new thing, couldn't it? you know, >> and nobody would know where it's coming from. It just be like kind of blended in >> a box. In a box. >> Yes. >> That's interesting. Yeah. Sorry. >> Or just make it, you know, like they have silent disos, like a blind disco to where >> every everybody's just blindfolded. That's probably the easiest way to do that. >> Everybody that comes in has to go. sunglasses, >> blacken sunglasses and headphones so you can sing to people and they won't know where it's or whatever. You could stand in the middle and everybody be dancing around you and then no one knows what's going on. >> Yeah. >> I was just going to say what what's your tricks? We we've we've asked >> I've asked artists before, you know, there's one question that I think actually TJ's just ripped off. >> Um but there's one question is is you know I used to ask why do you do it? You know why why do you play to people? You've answered that. So I think is there is there something that you do to be able to cope before you go onto stage? What we've we've watched artists in the past where they're just it's like they've been possessed and they'll walk through a crowd at 100 miles an hour like that. >> Funny to watch, isn't it? >> It's incredible because they just go into a completely different mind space. What What do you do? What's your what's your signature? >> I I don't have one. I just get out there and do it with, you know, >> I just go, you know, um, and usually after the first song, I'm I'm I'm more relaxed. But, uh, >> yeah. No, I just go out there scared. Not really scared, but, you know, just that that nervousness and and maybe it's not even nerves. Maybe it's just like adrenaline. I don't know. But my heart's racing and I feel like my voice is shaking. And uh that usually doesn't hit though until like right before I walk out. So >> up until then I'm mostly okay. >> Yeah. I mean we won't know name names but um you know we we met an artist that's quite big last year and said the exact same thing and it wasn't a particularly big venue that we went to. not that many people there in fact but still you describing the same kind of adrenaline the nerves the you know and for somebody that's been later on in their career I would say you know it's uh it's interesting to hear it and how people get over it and some people just don't get over it you just like you say you get get through the first song and then >> you know you kind of find your groove from there perhaps you know interaction with the crowd is that is you know is that how you kind of cope as well you know if there's >> yeah I'll I'll crack jokes like and be self-deprecating. >> Okay. Have you got any like go-to jokes, you know, especially filthy ones? We we like to hear. >> No, you know, and I always say that I'm going to like plan out some some like jokes and some banter, but I never do. >> And so I just ramble like an idiot. And uh I don't know. It's I guess they think it's funny. They laugh, but I don't know if they're laughing at me or with me. Uh we we know exactly that feeling to be honest with you Emily. We we know exactly what that's like because uh I mean for example we can come on here and uh and you know I don't know why but it's it's more I'm I'm more nervous when I come on here and do it uh when instead of being in front of a crowd. I could quite happily stand in front of a crowd and talk uh because we've done it you know we've been there and done that sort of you know introduction thing and what have you. Um, but it's bizarre when there's three of us here and it's not even live. >> Yeah. >> And but yet you get nervous with it. You're like, "Oh, like the like tonight for example, messed all my words up straight away." That's that's the honest truth. Messed all my words up straight away. And then that puts you in a little mind head space. Um, and then you're like, "Are they laughing at me? Are they laughing with me? What? What's going on laughing?" To be honest, >> he's laughing. >> Yeah, >> I'm laughing with you. >> He's going to throw things out >> with me. That's him. Yeah. Yeah, >> that's good. But um I mean I suppose last one for me is you know you you you you go on stage, you do all of that. How do you want people to kind of go away feeling after you know seeing Emily Jameson play live? You know what what kind of feelings would you like people to go away with? >> Hopefully they feel loved and like you know joy. I don't know. You know, I played Saturday and um in Virginia and at the end of the set, there was a lady there that I've I've met several times and um she said that she was hoping that I would play Worthy, which is one of the songs off of the Dead Street sessions. And so I just stood there on the end of at the edge of the stage and sang it, you know, no miked up or anything. and just and they started crying. You know, her and some of the other ladies that were there started crying and, you know, it it was a really sweet moment. And um my my hope is that people leave a show of mine feeling like that, like not sad, but just, you know, like just feeling, you know, whatever the emotion is. I hope that you're just feeling it. That's lovely. >> Yeah, that that's that's what uh you know I feel like my songs are are emotional. They feel emotional for me writing them. Um and so I'm I'm always telling people, please feel your feelings. If you need to cry, please cry. We'll cry together. >> Just let let it loose, you know. Well, there you go. No, it's nice. It's just always interesting to see it from your perspective as an artist. You know, we we always look at things on the periphery and um yeah, and plus we're nosy as well, so this is why we ask the the things that we do. You know, it's what we do. Um I did lie. I've got one last question and then I will hand over to Ronnie. But um you know, we we're big supporters of new music. Uh, and we want to help people find as much of it as possible because there's a lot of people online that moan that, you know, they they only listen to the classics, the old stuff because that's all there is. There's no there's no new music according to those folk. But um, we know differently. We know best. Um, so again, soundtrack to your life. What's the best song that you've listened to in the last uh, five years and what makes it stand out for you? >> The best song I've listened to in the last five years. Yeah, recent. Yeah. >> Oh gosh. Maybe this is a copout, but uh I'm gonna say Sunday Dinners just because of you know that I didn't write that song, but you know that's my life too and it it's just very powerful and Um, you know, I remember when we went in the studio to record it, my very first take, I just lost it. And it was good though. You know, like I I said earlier, it's cathartic to sing it and it's it's cathartic to listen to it. Um, so I'm going to I'm going to say that just >> that's not a copout at all. It's uh it's a really good choice and you know, it points people towards that song as well. So, thank you so much for sharing. I will shut up for a bit. Only for a bit. Um, but yeah, Ronnie, you know, over to you, mate. >> Wow. I mean, I've I've got to say there there's two words that I've written down from as a as a nice side step into into what we're going to talk about now. Um, but there was two words that that when you were explaining uh some of the questions that you were asked about, I put empowered and and enlightened. You know, from when you were singing to that to them people by the side of the stage, you know, you want people to feel like they're enlightened, empowered and moving away. That's such a massive uh emotional um trip to go through. uh and and to listen, you know, to see how you you have such an impact. You really do. Um and and some people you meet during this life, some people you meet during, you know, the music that we go and see or the people we meet up with all the time. Sometimes it's a you know, it's a show, it's a gimmick, it's a you know, we'd like to think that everybody's being genuine, but actually, you know, not everybody is. Um, and sometimes they're just doing a show because that's what commercial wants. But when we meet some genuine people like yourself and and your brother and um and a few people along our way, it's it's mind-blowing. Uh, so thank you for sharing that with us. It it really >> really does make a huge difference. Um, but on a nice side step, um, I would like to talk to you. We've named this part music medicine. So TJ and I are huge advocates uh of supporting mental health uh and like to shout out and every time we do a podcast how um how best people can get help, what the best thing to do is shout from the rooftops. We'll always fly the flag of anybody that's suffering from mental health or anybody that's struggling or or need some extra help. And we know that the industry takes such a toll on on on people on their personal lives and you know and their their music lives going forward as an artist. So if you wouldn't mind sharing with us, what do you do to keep yourself grounded? What do you do to keep your mind in check? Um if you wouldn't mind sharing with us. >> Yeah, of course. Uh for one, I I try to limit my time on social media. Uh cuz that always feels like the first place that I notice some anxiety coming up. Um just getting on there and mindlessly scrolling and just looking for something that I don't know what I'm looking for. And uh so I try to I try to limit that. Um spend time in nature. That's that's really the the greatest medicine that I have. Um, and I can always tell when I've spent too long away from it. And uh, so I I go hiking a lot. Um, where I live, it's very close to the state park. And, um, so I spend a lot of time there. And that's that's really the best thing. um you know and and talking to people too, you know, talking to therapists and talking to uh to other people that understand, you know, what what it's like cuz we're all struggling. >> Yeah, absolutely. And and thank you thank you again for for sharing with us. And you know, it is tough times. It's tough times out there and and we're always we're always here. You're always part of that. We always said you're part of that rugged revival family. You're part of the, you know, the rugged family of of, you know, all of us supporting each other and whatever we can do. If you just need anything, just shout. Um, and and we'll always, you know, we'll always be there to to help everybody. And Emily, I'm sure you'll you'll you'll be the same, shouting it from the rooftops on your side. Um, so thank you for sharing it with us. Um, there was uh one part of the soundtrack to your life that I wanted to ask you. Um, and it was around what song has helped you through a tough time or a struggle or a difficult point in your life? Is there a poignant song that you would think that's it? >> Um, I'm trying to think. I know that I'm thinking um I don't know if I can think of one particular song. Um, but I'm going to say the uh the AIT brothers record I and Love in You. That whole record from start to finish. >> Yeah. I feel like I always come back to it when I need when I need it. Like it's just such a beautiful record and it just makes me feel and uh makes me cry and um like in in good ways. So I'm going to say that record in its entirety. >> Perfect. Thank you very much. Um, so, uh, Emily, we've we've talked about, um, the Ruger Revival and TJ's mentioned it before about being a platform and being a bit of a community, um, to really shout about people that are emerging talent to to look at to identify people that just might need a bit of help, you know, waving the waving the hand up, saying, "I'm here. Listen to my songs. Listen to me." Is there any emerging artists, any emerging talent, any emerging bands that you would say, "Do you know what? these people really need a shout out. Um, and would you like would you like to shout them out? >> I'm going to say the Jenkins twins, even though they're not emerging, I I just feel like they are still flying under the radar. Um, you know, they're just they're so talented. Brother Smith, same. um you know there Wes and Aaron are they've been doing this for a long time but again they're more people need to know about them and uh let's see there's a friend of mine um her name's Sarah Kate Morgan she plays the mountain doulamer uh she's she's got a dead street session I think online but she you just have to listen to her voice. It It will make you cry. It's just so beautiful. And she's she's uh she's right here in Eastern Kentucky. She's she's so good. And she's I think she she's done um seems like she played some stuff with Tyler Childers uh when he he had some shows out at Red Rock I think several years ago. But she's um yeah, Sarah Kate, Sarah Kate, Morgan, Brother Smith, and the Jenkins twins. >> Check all them. >> Perfect. That is the That is a shout out. That's uh that's for the Ruger Revival crew. So, uh thank you very much for that. Um so, we have talked about a lot of heavy stuff. Uh we've gone deep in, down, around, side by side, all over the place. So, we're going to play a game just before we we play a game. Um, Irish meals, Irish dinners, Irish food, Irish drink. What would be your go-to if you had any comfort food? Would it be an Irish stew? Would it be gammon and cabbage? >> Is that fair? >> What would be your favorite Irish meal? >> You don't. I'm going to say Guinness stew. We're going to go with that. >> Well, yeah. When you said Oh, yeah. I mean, I would probably like a stew. I like I like a hardy like chili or something. >> Guinness. Not gammon and cabbage. Is that even an Irish? >> Gam and ham. Cabbage. Yeah. Brown. >> Oh, I can't have ham now. >> Go to No. I can't have red meat. >> Oh, I can't I can't do without >> red meat. >> Guinness shoe it is then. >> Yeah. >> Um right now we're going to play a game, I think. >> Oh, >> let's play a game, Emily. >> Let's do it. Yay. I think what we doing the stage right got back to you is it >> is go back uh play play the tune TJ >> I don't know what tune I'm playing now so uh you've lost me completely >> oh let's skip to the next one then Ronny oh [ __ ] yeah no I can't find it so you're just going to have to do without >> oh anyway so uh this is the rugger revival Irish true or false Emily Irish true or false. So, this is where we get the artist to face off against TJ. TJ normally loses this, but I ask you a bunch of questions. I need a true or false answer and then uh we'll go through the answers at the end and see who won. Most probably you. So, are you ready, TJ? Are you ready, Emily? >> Yes. >> Go for it. Wonderful. Question number one. St. Patrick was born in Ireland. True or false, Emily? >> Uh, true. >> TJ, see, I know nothing about Ireland either, Sue. I'm I haven't got an advantage here. I would say false. >> The Shamrock. Question number two. The Shamrock is one of the best known symbols linked to St. Patrick. True or false? The Shamrock. >> True. TJ, try >> I'm just going to go opposite false. >> That's my strategy here. Question number three. >> Yeah, you you'll be all right. You don't worry about it. Um, question number three. Belfast is the capital city of Ireland. True or false? >> False. >> Emily. >> TJ. >> I know me geography is false. That one. >> Question number four. There are 32 counties on the island of Ireland. Emily, true or false? >> False. >> TJ, true. Seems like a lot, but whatever. Question number five. Guinness was first brewed in Belfast. True or false, Emily? >> False. TJ, it' be pretty hilarious if it's true. I'm going to go true. Question number six. It's all right. You've only got a few more. Question number six. The harp is an official symbol of Ireland. >> The harp. >> Yep. >> True. >> TJ. True. I >> think so. I don't know. Question number where is the the river Shannon is the longest river in Ireland. True or false? Emily, >> false. >> TJ, true. I bet you didn't expect to play a pub quiz on this, did you? >> Oh, no. >> No, no, no. Uh, and then last question. Uh, the colors of the Irish flag are green, white, and blue. Emily, true or false? >> TJ, >> false. It's got orange in it, I think. >> I'm sure it has orange in it. >> Yes. >> Uh, and for the tiebreaker question, true or false, TJ will arrive early at meetings and buy himself a coffee so that he doesn't have to buy anyone else anything when they arrive because he's a cheapkate. Emily, true or false? I don't think it's cuz he's a cheapkate. So, I'm going to say false. >> Oh, you're so kind. Thank you so much. >> Oh, you really don't know. >> TJ, is that true or false? It's obviously false. So, uh, it's obviously true. Thank you. Right, question answers. There we go. Uh, question number one, St. Patrick is born in Ireland. The answer is false. He was born in Britain. >> Britain. That's >> uh question number two. The shamrock is one of the best known symbols linked to St. Patrick. Uh true. Belfast is the capital city of Ireland. False. Dublin is. Uh there are 32 counties on the island of Ireland. And that is true. Guinness was first brewed in Belfast. False. It was first brewed in Dublin. Well done, Emily. >> Yay. >> The harp is an official symbol of Ireland. True. Uh the river Shannon is the longest river in Ireland. Absolutely true. And the colors of the Irish flag are green, white, and blue. Totally false. They are green, white, and orange, or technically gold. >> Um, it could be instead of orange. >> Never seen. >> And then the last question, the tiebreaker, which absolutely sold it. TJ will arrive early meetings and buy himself a coffee. So, he doesn't have to buy anyone else anything when they arrive because he's a cheapkate. The answer is true. >> That That's only when it applies. >> To you, Ry. Unfortunately, I've got to tell you, I've got to tell you, Emily, you've lost. >> I'm absolutely gutted. >> Emily, what happened? Normally, this is me. It's probably because you don't know enough about Ireland, but >> I don't know enough about Ireland. I need to brush up on my >> That's the only second I've ever won. And normally, >> the second one he's ever won. Second in a year. It's the second one he's only ever won. I appreciate it. >> Um, and uh, we've normally got something to play afterwards, but I can't remember what it is and and TJ is useless at doing the soundboard uh, as usual. Um, so uh, thank you for playing that game. TJ, I'm handing over to you. Thank you very much. >> Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to No, normally I'd revel in my my win, but you've been so gracious and I I appreciate >> and you've been so nice to TJ as well. You need to forget that. >> I'm not used to it. Yeah. But yeah, TJ versus the Irish, we called that game originally, but that just sounded >> wrong. So, uh, can't say that. >> Back back to the drawing board. Anyway, um, so the next segment is around, you know, what's going on, you know, in the future, uh, for you in terms of writing, uh, releasing songs and even travel, you know, what's kind of in the pipeline for you. >> Well, I think I already mentioned I'm planning on recording this summer. Uh, don't know. I don't have like a date as far as releasing anything. Um, I would love to, you know, play elsewhere outside of Appalachia. Um, but I I don't know, like I I don't have any any plans at the moment. I'm just kind of taking things as they come and figuring it out. >> Yeah, that seems pretty chill. I like that. And um you know is there any particular states if you if you had a choice of kind of exploring playing you know where would you like to go? >> Um really just anywhere that I've not been before which is most places. >> Not super picky. >> Okay. Yeah. We we went to Texas last year. We loved it there. And I think I think the Texas crowd would really take to you um you know with your music, your style, your personality. I think you know definitely check out Texas uh when you do get the opportunity cuz I know you will. >> Um do you have any aspirations? I mean we've probably not sold it very well to you but in terms of the UK coming over here drinking Guinness if that's your thing. If not being healthy and you know >> visiting England perhaps or even Ireland, I don't know. >> I would love to visit Ireland to Ireland. I'm hoping to get um maybe like a hot Scott will fall in love with me or something and and take me away from the mess over here. >> Why? Why is Scott? >> I don't uh Well, actually, I do know. I blame the show Outlander. >> I have to Google that now. >> You've not heard of Outlander? >> No, I don't watch a lot of TV. I'll be honest. >> I don't either, but I do watch Outlander. >> Does he have long hair and a beard? That's how I can kind of picture it. >> Uh, not really long. I mean, you know, but it's set in like the 1700s, so, you know, he didn't didn't have like a short haircut. >> Ruggedy Scottish. >> He's rugged. Burly. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Not like us English folk. We're kind of weedy and we don't get much sun. Belinda Scots don't get any sun at all, really, do they? So, uh, I don't know. They don't look like that. That's what I'm trying to say. Um, but come over. >> I'm keeping my to myself. >> I'm probably going to get myself in trouble. >> This is where I fill gaps of silence with absolute nonsense and bollocks. So, uh, that's what gets me into trouble. >> Nonsense and bollocks is part of the show, isn't it? Anyway, um, yeah. Um, so we've got a another soundtrack to your life. Um, so I like to ask this one cuz I think, you know, we go through phases of what we enjoy. you talked about your childhood kind of memories with songs, you know, uh, and other aspects. And, you know, I'd like to ask, you know, if you could think of a song or even an album cuz you you've chosen album before. Um, you know, about where you are as a person right now or where you're about to head as a person. If you could think of a, you know, a song, you know, what might it be? where I am as a person and where I might be making me think. >> We ask all the difficult questions cuz we're awkward. >> I know. And I'm awkward and I don't know how to answer questions. Um, sorry, I'm I'm scrolling to see if I can think of anything. going through your Spotify as you trying to find something cool, you know? >> No, nothing nothing that I say is cool. >> Um, let's see. I feel so much pressure. >> What was that? Is that the >> Did you hear it? >> Yeah. Is that your house creaking again? It's something. I don't know what it is. >> We got ghosts. Okay. Um guys, why are you doing this to me? >> Or just something that you're enjoying listening to right now. You know, we all go through phases or moods, but um >> Oh, yeah. Let me >> that might be an easy way to >> Yeah, let me look at what I've been listening to. Um, Megan the Stallion is usually my workout. >> If you like if you like Megan the Stallion. >> Yeah, she might be on a podcast at some point maybe. >> I think you guys would hit it off. >> I think so. Um, let's see. I'm just going to say You're So Bad by Tom Betty. >> We'll take it. >> I can't think of anything else. >> We're gonna take that one. No, that's all right. I mean, what what type of like genres do you like listening to? obviously outside of what you create yourself and is it a real mix? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it's all over the place. Um, you know, I I've been listening to a lot of Graham Parsons and um the Flying Burrito Brothers. Uh, but then I like I said, I do listen to a lot of like rap and hiphop and uh been listening to some Pearl Jam and >> Cool. That really is >> just sort of all over the place. >> Yeah. I'm interested when people get to that. I mean, I'm influenced by the weather. I mean, it's normally miserable in in England. Um, but you know, when we do have nice days, I like to go down the soul route. Um, you know, that type of thing. And when it when it is miserable, you know, you might pull on, you know, a different genre of music. Um, but is is that kind of similar in the way that you you think? >> Yeah, it well just it's just my mood. Whatever mood I'm in. And um yeah, like usually if I'm needing to be like to get pumped up, I'll listen to some rap here, you know, something like that. That's like my hot mix. Um you know, if I want to cry and like feel good, the AIT brothers I really love. Um yeah, so it it it really just depends on my mood. Um, I am kind of moody, so it's all over the place. >> Moody in a good way, we'd say. >> Moody in a good way. Yeah, moody in a good way. >> Absolutely. It's uh Yeah. So, we we we can expect a a rap Appalachin country album from you at some point. That'll be >> That would be something. >> It's something I haven't heard. Um Yeah. Anyway, Ronny, I know you're dying to uh say some things. Over to you, mate. >> No, I just thought I'd I'd say that we're miserable every day. Really? So So we're moody and miserable every day. But um >> I think we've got Last Orders now. Is it Last Orders? >> We do, mates. We do. Let's >> mate. >> Yeah. >> It's come to that time of the night, Emily. That time of the night. >> Get out of my pub. >> Yeah, >> there we go. Uh we'll explain that at some point um when we can be bothered. But um Peggy Mitchell, God bless her. Uh so we're going to change it up a little bit tonight being St. Patrick's Day. Uh we're going to end with the Rugger Revival Irish style blessing. Uh but before we do that, I wanted to say that you have been empowering, enlightening, you've been incredible. You've put up with our nonsense from the start of this podcast. You've been there through chaos. Uh we've had snowstorms and everything else. You have been absolutely one in a million, Emily. Uh and it's an absolute pleasure to have you on this podcast tonight. So, thank you for spending the time with us. >> Thank you. >> Um and we're going to end by doing a bit of an Irish blessing actually. But can we just make sure that we've got a can or a cup or a >> I don't know, funnel um just to raise for a toast toast at the end. I don't know. Uh It's all gone. It's all gone chaotic tonight. It's cuz I've been up since 4 this morning for work. I'm like, I don't know what's going on. Anyway, uh, play it, TJ. Okay, here we go. May the road rise up to meet you. May the wind stay kindly at your back. And may laughter, song, and good company follow you on your way. A huge thank you to our guests for joining us tonight and bringing such heart to the Ruger Revival. And to each of you listening, may your nights be lively, your hearts be light, and your road ahead be a good one. So until the next time, we raise a toast to the grit, the grind, and to the revival. Good night, God bless, and happy St. Patrick's Day from all of us. Cheers, Slancher. Cheers. >> Well, that was emotional, wasn't it? >> That was lovely. That was heartfelt from you, Ronnie. I'm uh I'm impressed. >> It was, wasn't it?

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