Daniel Cain – Kentucky Outlaw Country & Psychedelic Blues

When you lose your [Applause] love, Christian hearts get broke, tables turn, you lose, you learn. So, this is the Rugged Revival podcast. We are the home of the UK's country, Americana, and Roots Music community. We're back at it. Uh, we did take a a short break from the show because I went and got married. So, I'm officially off the market. I know. Yeah, I need to add some sound effects here. But, uh, so sorry, ladies. I know there's a million broken hearts, but u I'm officially off the market. I don't think there'll be any dry eyes around anyway. Uh, anyway, I am joined by Rugged Ronnie once again. It feels like we've been away for a long time. It's been a couple of weeks, I think, and we've already forgotten how to do these podcasts. Not that we I've forgotten you, to be honest. Who? Yeah. But uh so yeah, just to remind you of who Rugged Ronny is, um he's a man not just content with having the one birthday, he's like the queen. Uh you know, so he's a greedy little bugger, uh he faked a second birthday recently, and he managed to scam another bottle of whiskey uh out of me. So on Facebook, it said it was his birthday. So I I kindly sent you a bottle of Wild Turkey. You didn't say anything to anyone. Everyone's wishing you happy birthday. I put it on Instagram and your birthday was in March, was it you, Pratt? I I cannot tell you looking at your face, you were mortified when I told you that it wasn't my birthday and you sent me a bottle of whiskey. Anyway, um yeah, Facebook changed it for some bizarre reason, but thank you to everybody who sent me lots of birthday love and presents. I didn't tell you at the time cuz I wanted some extra presents. So, um thank you to everybody for that. Much appreciated. You can uh you can hang on to that bottle of whiskey till till next March. So don't bother opening it, will you? Cuz I ain't getting you [ __ ] anything for next one. But there you go. Anyway, that's enough of our our waffle. Uh our first guest back uh deserves the epic introduction that we gave him recently on Instagram and on the socials. He's the Appalachian Angel, Kucky's answer to Barry White, a man with hair so majestic it just stops traffic. He's our mate and he's your mate, Mr. Daniel Kane. Before I hand over to say hello to Daniel properly, let's go. There we go. Careful. It's uh the writing is a bit stretched. I put on a bit of timber since uh we we did a bit of a merch swap last time, mate. But I felt it was only right to represent you properly on this show, but how are you doing, mate? Welcome to the show. You're You are It's looking great on you, man. Looking great. I'm doing Hey, look at that. Hey, look at the fireworks. I love it. No expense spared. But yeah, how are you doing anyway, Daniel? Welcome to the show, man. Yeah, thanks for having me, y'all. Yeah, I'm doing great. Um, blessed and focused, hungry, just uh just trying to just trying to out here and get get it trying to eat and feed my kids. I don't even have kids, but you know what I mean. I know exactly what you mean, mate. But uh and it looks like you're going out and getting it from what I can see on your socials and from when we talk. So, it's uh it's great to have you on and appreciate you being the first guest back on. Um but yeah, what we tend to do is is hand over to you uh as the artist rather than me and Ronnie kind of explain badly of your style of music or or how you kind of portray yourself. So perhaps in a in a sentence or two, describe your music to the listeners, mate. Okay. Yeah, a sentence or two. Um, I like to tell people that my genre is being Daniel Kane. Um, that's the first sentence. And then the second one is that right now, um, the music kind of finds itself. You know, I mainly play an acoustic. Uh, even when I'm playing with a band, it's it's me and my guitar and and the pieces around me. And you know, um, it's anywhere in the realm of blues, country, folk rock, country, blueg grass, psychedelic, you know, it's just a bunch of different flavors put together. Um, call it roots rock, call it y alternative, you could call it americana. And, you know, I'm the type of guy that, if you know me long enough, who knows how close my music sounds to what it sounds like now in five years. And uh yeah, it's more just about pursuing art and that's what I do. I got a hell of a story how I started getting to actually doing it full-time and uh that that's a much longer than one to two sentences, but well, we we'll save that one for Ronnie because he will certainly have some questions and uh we'll we'll kind of expand on on that. But yeah, I love the the way that you've described it. I mean, it's we hear new things every time we have artists on about different genres. Y alternative is a new one. We've had melody medicine, I think we had previously. And uh yeah, it's cool. There's so many ways to kind of describe what you do and you can't be pigeonholed. You're Daniel Kane at the end of the day. So, happy days. But I will uh I will hand over to Ronnie because Ronny's a good place to kind of delve into the early days and kind of start from there, mate. So, we love a bit of early gossip, don't we? We do, mate. We do. Um, Daniel, I've got to start by saying, uh, it's an absolute pleasure to meet you. Uh, and let me tell you, TJ has been so excited to have you on the show for our first guest back after a bit of our time off. He's been like a child in a sweet shop. Um, and uh, he's been wearing his little t-shirt everywhere he goes. Every Daniel came, Daniel came stripping off. Even at his wedding, he was wearing a t-shirt, would you believe? So, um, he's been talking about you constantly, like you've grown up together. So, um you'll you'll start seeing bur into trying to get trying to get in all the time on questions, but no, I love it. Um but it's it's great to meet you. So, um starting off uh as I ask every artist uh that comes on the show, I like to delve into your background, where you started um and what it was like as a child um in going into your teenage years. So, Daniel, can you tell us where little Daniel started? Yeah. Um where in start I start started in Stanford, Kentucky. Yeah, that's where I was born. I was born in a small small small town um in Kentucky, USA, right where pretty much the border of what you'd call the Appalachin Foothills, the Knobs, and the Bluegrass all kind of start to meet. So it's like three different geographic regions kind of playing into one county. And um yeah, that's where I started. Now in music, I started I guess there too. Is that is that what you mean? More like where did I start? Yeah. Start off from day one. Where did you where did you come from? What did you do? Um all the way through to to when you started with music. It'd be amazing. Okay. Yeah. Well, yeah. I was uh let's see. I'm telling T like a biography. I was born uh to uh my mom and my dad were dad was kind of a more of a country boy and mom was a Catholic school girl from Louisville. And um they had my oldest sister in 1985 in outskirts Louisville. They moved out to where I was born because back then you got married when that happened and you figured it out and that's what they did. And then 10 years later I was born. a little satellite kid in a small town. And um I was, you know, I guess I was born in a musical family. My dad was a guitar teacher and he had a guitar shop on Main Street, a little tiny Main Street in our town called Main Street Music. And my mom um she taught in the school, she taught special ed. And I don't know if you guys call it special education there, but you know, mainly focuses on people with disabilities and whatnot. Yeah. And and then she sang in the choir too growing up. And so I grew up like a a little random out in the country where there's no like real Catholic community. I was like born Catholic and went to mass on Sunday and uh watched mom in the choir and then you know on Friday, Saturday nights, dad was a honky tonker and a blues guy and he would go play mainly cover all cover stuff. he was in cover bands and just played regionally and that was kind of my surroundings of music. I can remember being really young and having like my dad just like on a any given night just like a VHS of like a Stevie Rayvon live concert playing in the living room or or it would be like someone like uh you know just some of the big cats and bluegrass like Tony Rice or Earl Scrugs back in the day and um yeah so I guess those are some of my earliest days and how music was always around me. Um, now I was the youngest in the family or am the youngest. Um, so I was just the baby boy with two older sisters and um, I guess speeding up to, you know, went to school just like any other kid around here. Went to public school and um, I think when I was around like eight or nine, dad tried to get me a guitar for Well, yeah. No, he did. He got me a guitar for Christmas, but it was right-handed. And I'm a a true southpaw. I play left-handed and um dad was always a little bit aloof just like any good old American dad. How old are you? What? Oh, you're left-handed, you know. So, he got me this right-handed guitar and uh I think he was trying to just see if I could pick it up. A lot of lefties, they can pick up guitar right-handed. I could not. I just never made sense. Something about holding the guitar this way does it just feels weird. And I can remember one of my early this was the first memory of a guitar in my hand that was supposed to be mine. And dad sets it in my hand and I'm on the couch and I'm nervous cuz like you know it's kind of a big deal that dad could play guitar and us kids. He's like a superhero you know and he's just like bends down on the couch and he's looking at me like well strum the damn thing. And uh I'm like he's trying to show me like a chord and it just freaked me out. And I can remember him just like he'd spend about 5 seconds on something before he decided and he was like all right. And I think right there he thought I was not going to be a player or anything and just gave up pretty much on the idea that I would follow in his feet his footsteps. So, but then a couple years later around like I guess I was like nine or 10 years old. Dad was still running the shop and he would let me um I would like back in the day it wasn't so dangerous to like be a kid walking down the street or maybe it was and times were just different. But I would uh Dad would leave me like a quarter on the counter when I got home from school on the bus and he'd let me walk down to his shop on Main Street cuz it was probably like I don't know a mile away or something like that. And so about halfway there, there was a little family time at grocery and I would go get a little fudge round with a quarter and walk up to the store and he put me to work pretty much and he was just having me polishing guitars or hanging out in the back reading comic books or something. And one day um there was this left-handed guitar unbeknownst to me. I just thought it looked different because I was a kid. I was like so I was like what's this one? Why does this one look so different? He's like, "Yeah, that's left-handed, son." I was like, "Oh, cool. I'm I'm left-handed." He's like, "Yeah, that's right." He goes, "Wait, that's right." Yeah. Hey, grab that thing and get over here. And he has me come behind his uh cashier's register. And he sits down with me with his right-handed guitar. And like, if you can imagine, I'm holding it like this. He's facing me holding it that way. So, it's a mirror image when I'm left-handed and you're right-handed. And really quick that became this like this where I was just like I don't know I picked up on it really fast. He showed me like a cord right there and it was like a mirror. I could just follow his hands put it right there and strum. He's like that was perfect. Show me another one. He was like that was perfect. And then I watched like one of the very few times I ever saw my dad's eyes like light up without you know knowing it's polite. You know he just he really impressed him and I'll always remember that. But he's like take that guitar home. And he was super excited. I was too. And I was probably like, like I said, nine, 10, 11, something like that when I got my first guitar. And so that's when I started playing was like at that age. And I remember walking back from the shop with a gig bag and I was like looking in the reflections on the arcade across the street just like thinking how cool it looked. And that's how early my love for like guitar started to seed. Um, but it took me a really long time between then and when I started playing music out. So that was like pretty much uh I guess it was anywhere from like 14 to 16 years later. I didn't start really playing out in shows or anything till I was like 25 several years ago. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a I got a natural perfectionist thing to me that I've been trying to overcome, but it's like the type that just like, you know, for a long time kept me from ever even getting on stage to try it. And it was a weird conflicting uh and and you just interject if there's questions you need, but I'm just following your actual prompt to the tea. But so dad uh he was weird. It was a really confusing raising. He was like, "Give me a guitar, be excited, want me to learn." But then all of a sudden, it was like he wouldn't ever try to bring me on stage. He did he discouraged my natural wants to like go into the arts for a career. It was weird. It was just to a kid. Now I look back and go, "Oh, cuz mom would have kicked your ass if you would have had me become an artist because she knew you were a rambling man." Got it. That's the way I kind of look at it now. I'm like, "Oh, it was just the wife you were pleasing." So you I mean, I'm sure it's in a very very common story. So So yeah, it was weird. So I was like very confused. I didn't feel too encouraged. I felt like here's the thing kind of. I don't know. Maybe. See? Yeah. Very confusing. Same. Dad wasn't Catholic. Mom was very confusing when it came to faith. This life was confusing with two opposites that attracted And uh so I got I got good enough at like I got my first guitar heroes was like Jimmyi Hendris really. Jimmyi Hendris and Angus Young from AC/DC were like my two like as a kid I was like that's what I want to do. And I always just wanted to be a guitarist then. And then um so I got probably good enough at a couple riffs, you know, good enough to know some chords, enough to impress probably like me trying to flirt with a girl in high school or something to be really honest. And that was pretty much the extent of what I was going to do, I thought. And then I just focused on academics and I ended up getting like a near full ride to college, which I guess university all. And um so I was just focused on that and cuz my family was kind of like just get to college, just get to college. And I had a natural propensity actually to want to make my elders proud versus like completely rebel against them. And so I did and then I got to college and then I was like, well, my whole life was figure out what to get to college, but I don't even know what I want to do because it became so suppressed that I still wanted to just be an artist and do what I'm doing now. So, I went, you know, college was a weird time for me. I went to like a really really prestigious school out here on on the scholarship and I felt like I was an outcast the entire time. It's where I kind of experimented quote unquote with a lot of things that expanded my consciousness and uh you know, so yeah, it was like Amsterdam. But um and so it was there that I during during college that I developed the real passion and pronounced idea to myself that that's what I wanted to do which was just go towards being an artist and do music or entertainment in general but I wanted to start it off the foundation of music and Um, so I went to University of Reading for a semester. Bet y'all didn't know that. No, we didn't. In England. Yeah, I was an exchange student for for a semester. Wow. And um, yeah, this is a really interesting bit of the whole journey. I was at a ca camp campus. It wasn't really a campus pub. It was a campus just the cafeteria but you know at University of Reading it's like where there's an America minuteade orange juice you can get like beer and cider to me it's really cool but so we treated it like a pub the American student instead but we were there and it was like I want to say it might have been the same exact night that the Paris bombings had happened. I want to say that it was if not it was right around that time because that was when I was there and it was like rugby getting played or something something going on like rugby world cup was going on during that time and the memories blend a little bit. I I think I drank every single day that I was in England. So and not just a little bit but we were like busting up three liters of Frosty Jacks left and right. I'll put it like that. That's the student lifestyle. Yeah. Frosty. And long story short, yeah. Oh man, I can still remember. It's bringing back memories. I can't talk about Long story short, that night I bump into this girl on accident. Like I'm just really packed in there and I just bump into her when I'm turning around. I turn around, I'm like, "Oh, I'm sorry." you know, and I guess I sound like not from there. And she wasn't either. She was this like Turkish hyphen German girl that was studying there. And she just like goes like, "Are you American?" is the first exact thing she asked me. I'm like, "Yeah." She just And then the very next question she goes, "Do you want to sing in my band?" And I was like, "Nice to meet you. What's your name?" I'm not even an artist. Like I don't do any of it. Like I I don't Yeah. I just just a dreamer that's unbeknownst to her. And I just go, "Yeah, what what are y'all singing?" And she's like, "We're a classic rock cover band and we're just having fun with it and we're playing the Kinks and the Beatles and the Doors." And I was just like, "Yeah." Because I love all that stuff. Really love late 60s and 70s music and loved the whole British invasion pretty much of music back then. um like obsessively. And so that was it. All of a sudden, I met this person and we start I'm like singing I guess. So we like rent out this studio and practice with a couple guys. One guy swear he looks like a young John Linen. Um and then the other guy I mean really it was like like he looked 15 somehow. He was old enough to be at uni but he looked 15. Super. Everybody was great. They were all super nice. it. To me, these are all things that I firmly believe personally that like were part of my calling to finding like your calling's going to get you if you're open to it type thing. And those were like some of the moments and the key moment happened right there. But so we played this cover show at the Global Cafe in Reading and maybe we played another I can't remember. But I remember being so sheepish and nervous up there and I was just like and they just wanted me to sing. And I remember telling myself, I was like, "If this goes terribly, Daniel, you get to fly across the Atlantic Ocean in like two and a half weeks, dude. Just do it." So I did. And so yeah, I did it. And I remember the in my brain, and I know there's a lot of a lot of variety. I know this, but in my brain in general, the British don't have a hard time of being direct, which I actually really appreciate. So, like right after the show, a couple of them came up and they just said, "You just you need to be more confident." You know, they just kind of put it like that to me and I was just like, "Cool." That wasn't saying never get on stage again. And I was like, "I'll take that as a win." So, I felt really good about I was like, "Cool. That was my first time and I didn't get booed off the stage. That's nice. I know. And I remember always reading a story where it was like Bon Joy's parents booed him off stage before he got big on his first show. Parents did. Yeah. So, I came back and just like you could expect crushed my parents spirits with me going to one of the most prestigious schools and saying, "I'm going to be a musician." Because that's exactly what I was going to do. And that's what I realized. So I came back and they were like, "Wow, this is what a good liberal arts education did for the boy. Awesome. I'm sure they were wishing I was going to do something lucrative." And I don't blame them. The older I get, the more I've been doing this, but and now just like you can usually imagine, they're very well, dad passed, but he before he passed even, very supportive mom, very supportive. So I I like to dig in the ribs a little bit because because you know just like any scared parent, they were just trying to protect me and I think once they realized I was just already a pure heathen from school at the time. They're like just find something. Just find something. So I came back, I joined this thing called the Central or the Kentucky Folk Ensemble and it was more like kind of a student le or not student led but student group at the school I was going to and I played like my first song singing and playing a guitar in front of a crowd there. It was mainly our parents. That was like kind of the those are like training wheels moments for me. And then that was I guess like 2016 or 17. And then so that was like all of a sudden, you know, kind of things were maybe kind of going somewhere, but I was obviously deal dealing with a lot of anxiety and pressures of like just my hand I was playing and I'm like this looks weird and there's really it's very unorthodox and there's not really a path to follow footsteps in what I'm doing. So I graduated. I didn't even want to do that, but I did. And because I was just so on fire for like I'm gonna be an artist and I did and I'm glad I did. But yeah, graduated school, worked in town where I was there for a year after and saved up money and I moved to Nashville. So I moved to Nashville in 2018 and I lived there until 2020. And then if this all seems boring and drawn out, it's like a it's like a book. I promise because I'm setting you context and then it's gonna get really lightning rody special kind of crazy. There is nothing wrong with that whatsoever. It's been incredible so far. Carry on. Okay, cool. Sitting there writing notes. So, all right. So, I moved down to Nashville and I move in with some guys going to Belmont University, which is like the music school in the region of the US where I'm from. Uh, and renting out this room. Um, trying to think what the importance parts are. Basically, I go down there to tell myself I'm going to start doing music full-time, like trying to find stages, work up a set, and all this stuff. I just end up partying like I'm in college basically for like two more years. That's pretty much what happened down there. And honestly, it wasn't even it truly was more of because of how stressful it was to go down there with no ends, no connections. people, no disrespect to the people I was living with, but I thought they would be a little more I thought it would be a little more supportive and converge on stuff. And it's nothing against them. We just all actually were way different, I think, than we realized in our goals. And I started growing a lot that time in terms of what I was going to want to do. And so I really just I had to start working like at least two jobs, sometimes three jobs just to afford my rent down there because how expensive it was. And then you a man's got needs, especially when he's like 22 and fresh out of college and super egotistical and dumb like any young 22-year-old guy. And so my needs were like social validation, I'm sure. So, I went and partied a [ __ ] ton and it was a way to deal with the stress of working that much. So, I just And then it was just a ton of self-designed pressure and guilt and your failure to yourself every day because I'm not doing what I wanted to do. So, that was like what pretty much my whole time down there was, which I don't think's bad. I think it was a lot of learning. It was It was a lot of learning. But I was starting to kind of like go down a path that I don't know where I'd be today if I really feel like God interveneed. So I'll just put it. So if God didn't intervene in my life, um I don't know where I'd be if I stayed in Nashville right now. Like I really don't. First year I lived out there with those guys. Second year I just got a place by myself out in like outer east Nashville. And like it was kind of I mean it was just kind of hood. I don't know how else to say it. And so I was kind of hood, you know, you just get it how you live. I don't know how else to say it. And it was just like I mean the first day I moved in, it was I moved into this like tiny place that should only be a one family house and they turned it into a duplex. And the first day I was there, guy who moves in beside me, he was like, "Hey man, I just got out for 10 years. Let's be friends." As you did. And he was cool. Honestly, he was nice to me. You're just good to me. I don't I don't No disrespect, but real quick. He He literally even said it. He was like, "You're like my new stalemate buddy." All right, here we go. That's for real. Like how it was that second year. I was just like living out there. I had a one of the OGs out there on the street was like real cool. He always kind of took care of me, protected me. I was like, "All right." So that's what I was doing for real for two years in Nashville from like 2018 to 2020. And then my life flipped upside down in 2020. Like lived upside down. And then that's where the current me was kind of born in a weird weird way. Um so yeah. So any questions before I move on to that? Uh no. Um, I I've got to say that is probably one of the best stories I've heard as in real life taking me through step by step. I asked that question a lot and you sort of have to probe and you sort of have to, you know, go into a bit more, but you've just shared everything possible with me. Um, no, it's like a like a movie, isn't it? I was I was picturing Frosty Jacks and Yeah. You know, I could also almost picture it in my head when I was going through. I was like, "Oh, this is like like one of them one of them movies you get on a Saturday morning where they're following you with a camera, you know?" But um anyway, that's awesome. Um there is one question and it's a bit of a random one. Now, between I'm like I'm just trying to answer your question, but then I'm like, "Dude, Daniel, like shut up." No, no, no, no. Don't shut up because this is about you. You've got to keep talking. you want us to shut up afterwards. Um, but in between that sort of eight and nine to, you know, you went to Reading, you went to uh Nashville, everywhere, if you could give that part of your life a slogan. Random one I told you. If you could give it a slogan, what would it be? Okay. If I could give what part? All of it. your your education, your partying, your going to a reading, your you know going to Nashville, all that part of that middle part of your life when you're just growing if you like and experiencing what would it be? Soulsearching. I mean, I don't know as a slogan, but like really a lot of it for me was like soulsearching. I just felt like I was soul searching trying to find you. And then as you said, you realized that, you know, whether it be something from God to say, you know, now this is this is your time to sort of move in and uh and TJ can cover that, but but yeah, you stepping into your own. Yeah, absolutely. Um, amazing. and and I can't thank you enough uh for sharing even the little details with us cuz it was amazing. So, Daniel, thank you. Now, before TJ wets himself because I've taken much of your time, I've taken too much of your time. I'm going to hand over to TJ. He's so excited. Well, and I'm telling you guys, 2020 is where everything really gets crazy. So, I still will tell you that the next chapter. That is the craziest part. I'm telling you. Chapter two. Whoa. Why why don't we go into chapter two now before we go off on a random kind of tangent and then forget to come back to it because I'm intrigued now and and I suppose a question for me Daniel mates is uh I was trolling through your socials cuz I'm a bit of a stalker like that with anyone that we have on and I found pictures of you without the hair and without the beard and I wonder is it from those university days that uh those kind of younger years pictures you look very different mate. Yeah. So, I've always felt like myself with my hair like this. That always felt like myself, weirdly enough. I wanted and and and then it became a sign of rebellion for me. And that also even stems back from childhood. That's weird. But like I was a skater kid during like eight years old to like 14, 15. It was like Viva Leam era in life. And like I had two older sisters on leaving MTV on. like MTV was like, yeah, a terrible gospel for me to suck up as a kid, but it's what I was listening to, MTV and VH1. And uh I just like really wanted to grow my hair out. I always thought it was cool and and I watched the girls freak out for like Ryan Sheckler and Justin Bieber. And so I was like, I gotta have long hair, you know, how boys be thinking. And so dad made me cut it though when I was like 11 or 12. And again, it was just one of those things where I was just I don't know if I would have raised me now, I look back and I would have been like, dude, I would have been pissed all the time. I was trying to raise this guy. Naturally a defiant person, very much questions any bit of authority. It's weird. It's honestly like kind of annoying to myself. I'm like, why can't I just like, oh, why does that do that? But naturally, yeah. So, I always wanted to grow my hair because I felt like I wasn't allowed to. And um yeah, so I went to I think it was like be the summer before I started was going to go to Reading. I just decided I'm going to grow my hair out. Then I did. And then the thing is I came back from England and I was just like so cocky and so conceited for real cuz I think a lot of young dudes do so I can say it like that cuz whatever I forgive myself for it like but there was a time where like senior year I had just some kind of nervous breakdown almost like a Britney moment and I was like all right I'm going to stay in school I guess I'm going to just graduate and I'm just going to I mean this was the punk in me at the time I was like I'm just going to do it for mom like whatever, you know, you can just think of being a punk. And so one day I just went and just went and buzzed my head senior year of college actually. And then I think I made a decision basically that I wasn't going to keep running this really rebellious spirit that I was doing in college. And then I tried to live that out until 2020. And so literally January 1st, 2020, I was just like I remember looking in the mirror one day and I just went just gonna grow my hair out again. And then 2020 started to happen and then everything that happened to me. I know this sounds so stupid to the probably anyone else listening, but that everything that happened in 2020 just it would make me look in the mirror and confirm. I'm like, "Yeah, I'm growing my hair out again." I don't know. It sounded weird, but and that's what happened. Yeah, I just grew it out. But well, you're lucky you could. So, there's like a couple phases. Yeah, you you could pull off both looks, you know, with with the long hair, the short hair, uh beard or no beard, unlike Ronnie because uh Ronny uses his beard like makeup. And if you take that beard away, he's he's catfishing a lot of people with that. It's hilarious. It's funny. Well, thanks, man. I appreciate that. I've grown accustomed to thinking my beard and hair helps me. So, it's nice to hear that because I'm just jealous I can't grow one. So, I have to be mean to Ronnie about his one. But, uh, but yeah, let's talk about 2020 onwards, mate, because it it it sounds fascinating. So, from that point to I can't keep up. You've had so much. Tell me more. Tell me more. Right. I appreciate that. I think, you know, honestly, I will say I think I think everybody's had a very very very very rich life. I think sometimes people just don't even realize it. I mean, really, like I've been asked this question several times now and it's probably one of the reasons, like I'm just saying as humbly as possible, it really is probably one of the reasons I'm better to recollect than maybe somebody else. But I guarantee you somebody's asking you all that several times throughout the past few years, you'll start reflecting a lot because you're going to go like, "What?" Like, "Why am I here? What the hell am I doing?" Yeah. And then, you know, your life will tell you. So, I mean, I appreciate it, but I don't think it's, you know, I definitely don't think I'm I've had a more spectacular happening. I think I know people who have had way crazier [ __ ] happen to them. Put it like that. But but uh so 2020 um I dated this girl in Nashville and we broke up and uh that was like I was going into 2020 and I don't know like that one had bothered me at the time and so I was already just kind of feeling like I don't know you know it's like when you when a when you know that trope or stereot otype when they say like you break up with her girl, your girl, she dyes her hair and changes her wardrobe. It's like I was the one dying my hair wardrobe. No, I'm just kidding. Kind of. But so 2020 was just this big snowball. I was I turned 25 in February of 2020. I looked at myself and I went, "You've been here for two years and done. you've literally not made a single step towards progress. You're actually like, what are you doing, dude? You're just living by your own pride and your own stubbornness was like what I was telling myself. And I just didn't really have a lot of direction. And uh it was just weird. So, I was just like kind of felt like I was on my knees and just ready for signs. And that's kind of what I don't know. 2020 is when I really started like listening to signs like just like moving my life. So yeah, so I hadn't been playing guitar a whole lot because I told you guys I've been working a lot and just playing and partying and just effing off for real. But um I decided I was like I'm not gonna give up because honestly I'm like was probably like borderline like because if I give up then I'm just like I don't even want to live. Like that's just kind of where I was. And u me and my dad at the time I thought he hated me so I hated him. I mean that's like where I was at the time. And I probably honestly this interview is like the most raw I'm going to talk about that stuff yet because he passed in 2021. So I was like so angry towards home for a lot of things. I was like in that again still super entitled young American dumbass thinking that my life's not going the way I want it to because of everything else that happened to me the way I was guided the way I was not I was blaming everything and and and already accepting some kind of defeat and already feeling too old like that's literally where I was and I was like 24 like what the hell But um that's just where I was. I don't know. I just hell of a brain on it. I don't know. I don't know. So I'm I'm glad I can say that now that it's like what was I thinking, dude? But that's what I was thinking. And so things just started to happen. Um and I started picking up my guitar again as like a very very very strong intention that I'm like, I'm gonna try this. I'm going to try to do music. like I'm gonna really try to apply myself and put myself out there and make something worth a damn. And I didn't know what I wanted to start playing yet, but then Mac Miller, you guys know who Mac Miller was? He was a rapper from Yeah. the guy that died quite young. Yeah. So, he was one of my favorite artists when I was a teenager. And then his, you know, he was like more like teenage party boy rap. And then it turned into as he got famous, he became this incredibly thoughtful, deep artist. Very much a visual, conceptual, like really deep thinking artist. And my life kind of went that way. I went, you know, like I said, I went towards thinking about the questions that can't be answered a lot in college. and like I became obsessed with like Eastern philosophies and stuff like that and blah blah blah. So his first post Timothus single had come out right in that time and it was this song called Good News and I remember telling myself I'm like I'm just going to figure out how I don't care how many days I have to wake up because I was living so alone and by myself and didn't know what I was really going to do in life that I was like I don't know what else to do. So, I'm just going to learn this song. And if I can learn this one song to a maestro level of playing it that everybody thinks is great, that I think is great, then I know I can do anything. That was just a weird goal I set for myself, but I set it with that one. And so, I started working on that and that was kind of like starting to be my piece a little bit throughout the day. I mean, I was just put hours in trying to get better at guitar and and and that kept being the anchor. Then February, my grandma, my mom's side uh passes from cancer. Um so it brings me back to Kentucky and then and then I go back, you know, and it's winter in Nashville by myself and it's just all these things. It's just that's all I can remember is just this weird foggy era right when that year started and just knowing I don't know what's going to happen. Two weeks after that, it's March 2nd or March 3rd, 2020, I almost get killed by a tornado. And that's where things really start to go like crazy. So, um, yeah, there was a surprise tornado. There was not even a like warning for severe weather that night. I'm sitting in my studio. I've got my bass plugged in to this like audio interface. I'm smoking. I've got a buddy over there uh watching NBA and on his laptop and we got this other friend who's just like passed out on the futon and I'm about ready to go to bed. It's like 1:00 a.m. and I'm like so I'm about to go like kick everybody out. So I like nicely How do I nicely kick my friends out? Is walk out of the room, walk around for a second, walk back in and go, "All right, guys. I was think I'm going to go to bed. So that's what I was about to do. And I had and we were in my studio room. So I had like my windows sealed off with like flags so that like sound wouldn't get all bouncy on the glass and whatnot. So you couldn't see outside. So I get up like to go do that and as soon as I'm getting up I like my phone starts going off like crazy. Like I'm just like what is going on? Is my phone about to explode? And it's got this National Weather Alert emergency system thing alert blah blah blah and it just straight up says in all caps there's a deadly tornado um in using geoloccation data whatever it says it's like in direct path you got tminus like two minutes to like not try to die literally and as soon as I'm reading it I'm like What? And I just start saying yo to them. And I'm like trying to run to like I don't know what to do. I've never been in that situation. I always remember being told you're going to hear like train whistles is what it sounds like when it's closed. And I don't know why I thought this was a good idea, but I was like I better go make sure I lock all these windows. That apparently doesn't do damn thing. So, by the time I'm like to the second window trying to do it, I start hearing that train whistle sound and I'm like, "Oh my god, we're actually about to get hit by this." What a deadly tornado. What? I mean, no one knew there was going to be severe weather. I mean, seriously, no one. There was no call for it. There's no forecasting on it. I mean, you can look it up right now on YouTube and it'll say like that's how they talk about that day in Nashville. like the severe tornado that no one knew about rips through the city. So, I start yelling at my two friends to like get in the bathtub and that's the only like it's this tiny house I was telling you all about. Um, my one friend I can remember her saying she was like, "I survived Hurricane Katrina. I ain't worried about that shit." And I just was like, "You're getting in the tub. I don't care if you survive a hurricane or treat. And uh so they get in there straight up and I like jump into the bathroom, close the door, and like by the time I'm put all I know is like I'm in survival mode. My hands on their necks and I'm screaming prayers. I don't even know. I mean, I'm just seeing the Hail Mary and I'm like, I think it goes like this and and then like that tornado starts ripping through and it smacks our house or my house and rips off like half the roof and the wind vacuum sucks in the windows and the door and yeah, I mean, luckily we survived, but the next house over was literally splintered. uh and and we lived. And that was uh that was one of the craziest moments about this whole thing that that still to this day has changed everything for the way I live because it was a pure near-death experience. So that was just March 3rd. So then so all right so like just being past that I get displaced from the house obviously I can't my job. Okay. So then 10 days later, COVID starts and all the jobs get shut down. So all of a sudden, my hours get I was working at Apple and I was part of the Genius Bar and um working on people's phones, more like being pressured to sell them a new phone they don't need. And um yeah, deceptive marketing for sure. But I mean, I still use it. But if you guys got a good product, man, I don't know what to tell y'all. But that's hilarious. But um so all of a sudden, I'm displaced from the house. I can't even afford to pay the rent on the house I can't even live in at the time because when we can't work, I was like relying on picking up people's shifts and then I was serving tables. Well, you can't go serve tables. So no tips, no no policies have gotten instituted to like help with any finances yet. So it was just like what is going on? Uh and then so that was all within like you know one month was just like I'm already big sulky whatever then I almost die then we all almost maybe die. who knows what's about to happen. And then so I'm like kind of displaced hopping around at friends houses. And then in April, I'm back in my house. We got like the roof fixed up and whatnot. And I'm sitting with a couple homies and I get this call from my mom and like super long story short, I walk outside. She says, "Your dad's got cancer." And it's seemed to be a good one. And and and we already knew. Dad was he was the type to not go to the doctor. He'd be like, "Maybe cuss you out if you told him you should, you know." So it was like, "All right, I can't force a man to do you can't force a man to drink water." And uh so I knew it was got to be that his skin had basically already become like red and flaky. And it turned out to be this like really awful rare cancer that only like 300 cases in the US a year. Like no cure. It's called Yeah. Just some [ __ ] And uh so I remember like my eyes just like the whole world just went grayscale right after she told me that. And I was telling you we had like a pretty difficult relationship at the time. And man, it was those two things, the tornado co and then that that like my entire life like I just I don't know, man. It was like, have y'all heard the song Wave the Triune God by Tyler Childers? Yeah. Love it. Yeah. Yeah. He's like says God reached down and took my hand to shook him straight and gave him a stern talking to that moment felt like that that to me that's why I love that song so much because I'm like yeah God did that to me too and it was like I don't know man it was like overnight I was filled with like this purpose that I'd never had been searching for my whole life and it didn't turn into being I'm going to go be a musician just yet. It just became, "All right, f your feelings, Daniel. Be a man. Go home. There's nothing for you here in Nashville. The only people that really matter to you, one of them's about to go. And you guys haven't used that time very well yet because it sounds like you both been assuming you'd have a lot more time." So, I just decided I was going to move back to Kentucky. And um and that's what I did. By July, I moved to Kentucky off a Craigslist ad to Lexington. Found this like another pretty sketchy spot because I didn't go look at it and just got it off a Craigslist ad. But I moved up to Lexington and and lived there for two years. And yeah, so and then between then I I actually had another near-death I had two more near-death experiences within that year. Promise you birthday. Yeah. I don't know where the balloons are coming. That's bad timing. Really bad. Really bad. Yeah. And I don't say any of this to say woe is me, by the way. None of this is the salt at all. This is actually I'm standing on the other side. I feel like it's a story of triumphs in a lot of ways. And I'm still hungry and I have my purpose and I got my life and it is what it is. So, I want to make that super clear. But yeah, I got like when when CO had shut down in Nashville, I started going out to Percy Priest Lake and it's this big old Pebble Beach man-made lake that you can go hang out at built by the Army Corps of Engineers probably way back in the early 1900s. And it was like the place to go because you shouldn't even breathe the air around people apparently. You know, no one knows what's going on at the time. I don't think people still know what's going on, but um I ended up hanging out at the beach all day for a while and like I got like terrible bites by ticks. I got a bunch of tick bites and then I got like two of them were like bull's eyes and I'm pretty sure that's like what means you get like Lyme disease or something like that. And then really quick I got deathly ill. I lost like 20 something pounds within a couple weeks and could the doctors were like co's going on basically we can't even see you almost over stuff and they like they did a blood test on me basically to see if I was like dying of AIDS or something you know first because they're like I don't know you look terrible and then this isn't explainable and they did a blood panel they never confirmed what I had but they thought I had Rocky Mountain spotted fever some kind of bad tick born illness so because none of the tests showed that I had it but or they said it was a weird expression of COVID. That's the only thing they could also think of time. So that was crazy. Then I finally moved back home and then me and dad all of a sudden you know dad's like got this like weird surge of energy. I think it's like this thing that happens when people get cancer and start hanging out with him a whole lot and he's a lot nicer to me and I'm being a lot nicer too and that's how things should go. So I'm really thankful we had those times. But um yeah, we started picking some guitar and there's a video actually on my page of me and him picking wildwood flour on the back porch and I was showing him like how getting it down which is an old bluegrass standard if you didn't know. Um, and dad like just just looks at me and he's like, "Damn, son. Why ain't you worked up a set yet?" Like talking about why why won't I go play music out? Which my brain went I'll give you my whole life story as to why I haven't. But no, but right there it was like a true flip switch right there that my dad wanted to watch me go do it now. And that's like goes back to me saying like I just had this some people don't care. Some people are born and they just are like, I don't care. Even in my like times of being mad at them, I thought it's because I couldn't get their approval no matter what I was doing in life. That's what made me so mad. But right there, I felt like that's all I needed. So like I felt like it was my mission to help him live vicariously through me as I started to play music, which very much influenced why you all have heard me as more of a country ccentric artist. He was very much, you know, he's an old born in ' 63. His dad was born in 37. Early Americana, blueg grass country, grew up on all that. Played all the older stuff. So, I just thought that's what I would start working on to and and then that's what I did. So, I worked up a first set, got several songs down, got to an open mic. Um the first open mic, the guy, the owner of the venue took notice of me. He asked who I was. He said, "You're playing some cool stuff. We're more like real electric honky tonk stuff, but you should go to this place. We think they'd love the kind of stuff you're playing." I go there. That becomes the Twisted Cork or is the Twisted Cork, which becomes my first venue. It's where I met Greg Adams. It's where I met a ton of people who really helped me on my way. And so that first open mic led to that one. The second open mic led to person there letting me open for it was Whitney and Ray and they let me open for them that next week at their show. Then that led to me getting my first show and then that show led to my second venue and then the second venue led to me playing with these other I mean and truly it was like that and all of a sudden like my life was unrecognizable to everything completely and uh you know there's other details obviously I wasn't making money at first so I was doing stuff like that but but like to give you the huge gist it was like there's your whole life and then there's just like a couple seasons where like circumstances like shaped everything. And then dad got to watch me play several shows. Uh he got too ill pretty much to leave the house four to six months before he passed. So, you know, I got to spend a good year with him before he got too ill to really want to get out of the house. And then he ended up passing in December 21. And that was where my other near-death experience happened. Third one, I got I got COVID, the Delta variant, in July of 21, maybe August or something like that. And I'm just going to tell you guys what it is that happened in my life. People freak out over what people think about this [ __ ] This is exactly what happened to me. And I'm just going to say what happened and I'm not going to tell you what I think because people get too dicey about it. But the day I got this ill, and I'll tell you how ill I got was the day I got a vaccine. And I'm just going to say that that's exact. That's the facts. There's no opinion for me to give you. Yeah. Maybe, you know, because then I know people go, "Well, maybe this is a" Yeah, I don't know. But that's what happened. That's all I know was I got the vaccine and that night I I went out the burl, watched Brent Cobb and Nikki Lane kill it. It was badass night. went to bed totally fine and I woke up at 3:30 a.m. with a fever of like 103.5. Could not move and I didn't my fever didn't drop below 100 for like 16 days straight and I lost again like another 20s something pounds. Like I was deathly ill. My O2 went down into the 80s. My oxygen percentage like it was crazy. They literally like my family thought we didn't know if you were going to be one of the the the 0001% of the young people that just die. And then meanwhile, dad was dying literally. And uh so one cool thing I'll say for his sake was was was super cool and I keep it in my truck, my glove box every day is I got so ill, it was like the 15th day or something like that that my dad who was like I don't know to say he was genuinely rotting away shouldn't have even done any of this. He got up, drove all the way from our hometown an hour north to Lexington. And in my door, he left a handwritten note that just says, you know, says like, "Daniel, I love you very much. You're going to get through this. Be strong. God loves you, Dad." And he never I mean, he was just a tough dude. Like tough tough dude. and uh like not lovey, you know what I mean? And and he was so sick and he got up and did that and I swear I just like that I I feel like it helped me recover. It was like two days later I I finally broke the fever, started coming back to myself and but it was like I mean it felt like one of them like Little House on the Prairie type sicknesses. I was like, "Oh, this is what it is when you see the cowboy just laying in bed for two weeks like." So um yeah, man. And then he passed and I was so sick. Then I was so obviously depressed cuz he was passing. So I randomly I had to cancel my this was the first time playing shows I ever had to cancel shows. So I canceled a big spree of shows. Waited around for dad to pass for real. And and then I just had like a weird crossroads moment if I was going to even play music after that or if I was just doing it for dad like that way. But it did become my whole life. And obviously now I can see it in many other ways. It's what I want to do. But I really like this is a weird time. You don't really know. You don't know how to feel about anything. I didn't know if it was selfish of me to want to keep playing music after. I I just had a lot of feelings like that. So long story short, actually none of this has been short, but long story. I ended up choosing to keep playing and I let you know I took like three months off. I went silent on my socials and and then I came back and said, "Here's what happened. Dad passed, you know, or about to." And but I I decided I was going to keep playing music actually as a way to keep him close to me. And uh that's what I've kept doing for real. And honestly, direction has been less clear ever since. And I don't think it's a bad thing. I think it's just the natural thing. But ever since then, it's like, so what's what what else in life? It's like, well, I was lucky to find my wife and now I've gotten married. That's a great thing. Um, been learning how to be an adult and not be such that selfish prick that I was when I was 22, you know, but other than that, man, it's like that was the story. Since the beginning of 2022, my life's been nothing more than just trying to actually like build my skills, get out here, and earn it. So, that's the story. Wow. I don't think we've ever been speechless. I am absolutely blown away. I've got to tell you, just uh I mean, well, TJ's just said it. Uh um I mean throughout that entire time uh and what you've done and to keep going with that mindset is um is is a massive accomplishment. Um so unreal and thank you for sharing. Thank you, man. I appreciate that. And like I said, dude, I'm just I I know I really want to make sure y'all know like h it's it's a long story, you know, and and you guys are interested and I tell you because of that. Otherwise, I'm really not out here trying to like put myself on any kind of like thing. Every part of that is is a reason for what you're doing now. every part of that is part of you now that's made you and and that's what we're so grateful for to be honest, you know, although it's bad times, but it's built you to where you are now and what you're doing. Um yeah, so thankful because I'm I'm meeting awesome guys like y'all for real. Like, you know, it's it's it is cool. I mean, I wouldn't probably know you guys if my life didn't turn out the way it has. It's just like one of them things. There's so many like sliding door moments as I I kind of put it um throughout everyone's lives and it's interesting to kind of hear how yours has panned out. But it's so lovely that you got to spend that time with your dad towards the end and I think you know that that's uh it's an amazing story mate and really appreciate you sharing that with us. You know it's it's something that's really raw to you and uh really personal. So thank you mate. I I we really appreciate you sharing that story and it's uh it's good to get to know you on that level as well because you know we've obviously had drinks and you know we we've had the odd chat but to to properly get to know you as as a person I think it's amazing mate. So uh yeah thanks again. Thank you man. Yeah so so kind of going on a bit further. So you you talked about the twisted cork and meeting some awesome musicians and and kind of developing yourself in that way. I mean, we we were properly kind of introduced in person. I think you you guys were pretty much hung over from the previous night when I met you guys in Stafford. I'm pretty sure you were in Little Nashville in London the the night before and uh we couldn't make that one, but uh I was trying to get down there and I just couldn't. So, I think we were hung over and buzzed. Yeah. Well, I was like 2 minutes into kind of turning up at the venue and uh I think we already had a few shots and a beer and a few cigarettes in the garden. Um and having a good old time. Um and I felt very privileged because, you know, it was you were there with uh Hunter Flynn and Lance Rogers and it was a real kind of quiet quietish night. Uh it was a weird venue to say the least. Uh it's a new venue I think Cat's trying to kind of check out. Uh, but it was for the love of Appalachia tour, which Ronnie has real issues saying. He always thinks it's for the love of Alipia. So, I always have to say that. Um, but I I I What was the What was it? Appalachia. Is that what you were saying? No, I can't I have to read it off a off a bit of paper because I could never say it. I say alapa. Alipa. Alip. I can never say something. Anyway, we'll go there. Alipcia. I think that's when your like hair falls out. One of them. Yeah, that's what Ronny's getting. It's probably why it's he keeps saying it's old age, mate. But uh anyway, I had a lovely time. Everyone else did uh at that particular night. Are you sure? Whoa. Yeah, I follow because everybody's every time you have a good time, nobody else does. It's just the way things go. Anyway, car. Um, but yeah, we we even had got a little interview in in the garden. Uh, where that one was funny. I just remember pressing record and sitting down and I think the first thing that came out of Hunter's mouth was uh, you know, cuz I said, "Oh, you could say anything on this this show." He goes, "What?" Even [ __ ] I was like, "If you want to say that, you know, I don't know what what relevance he's got." He did. He said proper. He's a He's a proper dude, but I I just found it hilarious, mate. But uh so tell I think for people listening and and wanting to know more about what you guys are doing uh for the love of Appalachia um how did that kind of come about for you personally to get involved the guys and and to come to the UK cuz it's a it's a big thing you know coming over as a kind of touring musician anyway but to kind of start at a grassroots level it's really interesting. So how did that go about mate? Yeah. Um I'm trying to remember exactly. A huge general part of it is is Lance Rogers for sure. I mean, he's truly like a Daniel Boone of like what we're doing out here. He has been blazing trails, kicking indoors for few years now and just like making his own path. He really has. And and I'm that's pretty sure the real origin of how I ended up tailored into all of this. Me and Hunter was Lance started to take interest and we and and likewise in him. We just became friends, let me say it like that, as as artists pretty early on, 2020, maybe 2021 for really. He might have been one of the first people I met along the way. Same with Hunter. That summer I met him and and Lance took me out in 2022 out of state for my first gig. I went with Lance to go play out of state out of Kentucky. We went down to Charlotte, North Carolina and played at this place called the Thirsty Beaver Saloon. Cool place. There's actually a picture where MC Jagger is like supposed to play that night and he goes out there and takes a picture in front of it smoking a cigarette made it like famous Jagger, you know. And uh then me, Hunter, Greg, and Lance, we all went out west to Illinois, played a few shows that same summer, I think. And so we just had some rapport built as friends who were pursuing similar things for different reasons. But um Lance goes out to England by himself. I don't know if it's exactly through Cat or with Cat or maybe that's where he meets Cat. I can't remember this. And when I say cat, I mean Cat deeds of Katie Music Media and For the Love of Appalachia. And uh thanks. They're paying. No, I'm just kidding. Just kidding. But uh and yeah, so they went out there and and I think they had a great time and they wanted to do it again. And I think that might have I don't know which came first but somehow that's where for the love of Appalachia originates through cat through Lance collaborating and for the flagship tour. Lance really wanted to bring me and Hunter out. I think um because of probably like prior rapport built and we're all just like obviously people have already like it's already a no-brainer that people know that they they like to see us together you know it's it's a complimentary build and um and yeah and Cat really liked the music too and that's kind of how I mean really it was just Lance hit me up one day hit Hunter up we both said heck yeah and And then got to think we have a we had a ton of sponsors that really helped make it possible too. I I don't have a list of them all right now, but a lot of a lot of sponsors along the way that wanted to be a part of it and they made it possible and I think they still are. So yeah, there's a lot of good good dudes that sponsored. I think our guys on Texas to Tennessee was part of that as well. Soul Gravy, it's one of our our good pounds. Um, yeah, it was uh it was really interesting to kind of see you guys come over. What what was what would you consider to be the standout moment or even if it's just a kind of funny thing that happened? Um, what what kind of thing that do you recall from that time? I got three things. The first one was we got to play the Cavern Club. That was really cool as just a Beatles nerd growing up and um that was just really cool. I don't know. I always remember seeing pictures of the Cavern Club with them like looking like Elvis and thinking how cool it would be to go play the Cavern Club one day. Like that was a bucket list moment for real. Um, second would be the Little Nashville show was super peak. It was awesome and it made me really like get a taste for like playing the place like London. Um, I feel like it was just really cool. There's a there's a real thing where you're every single crowd's unique, so their energy is unique. And and for me, at the very least, and I think it's a lot of artists, it creates a unique transfer of energy with how you perform. And it just felt like incredible drugs in front of that crowd that night. It just like me playing just it felt insane. I was like, "God, I want to feel this every time I'm on stage." Yeah. London up yours north. Yeah, it was it was a cool it was an electric atmosphere. I mean like they were raving for it. It was just really cool. It felt like it just felt like really cool. I don't know. And then the other one was actually in in Balo Wells. We played story beer and wine little micro brewery venue listening room and it sold out and as well but it was a completely silent listening room which produced a incredibly different energy for us on stage. So those were like that was like a pure yin and yang both sold out but purely different energies and they both just felt really really amazing those shows. So, like that was just that was really cool. Getting to play for crowds. The fact that we were selling out crowds in in England and Wales was I mean we were beside ourselves, you know, we were really it was my first time ever doing anything like that. I I don't count me at Global Cafe standing in front of a mic real sheepishly and trying to sing a door song as as you know as a show out there. So, for me, this was like my first shows and to go out there and do that and that was really awesome. Um, I really loved Kiwi Pie as well. Kiwi Pie. Martin, our host, his mama made a Kiwi pie. And I really like mint sauce. That was really good, too. That leads me on to my next question, actually, mate. or or statement even because I I see how much you guys kind of submerge yourself into the British culture and and you particular with your colloquisms, you know, you come up some great words, you know, did your wife understand your new accent, your new British accent when you you went back home a little bit because I was talking to her on the phone a couple nights like that. We I'd be pretty buzzed at the end of the night. Sh. [Laughter] Yeah, I was messing with her pretty good on that. So I Oh. Oh, I forgot my very favorite thing about all of the United Kingdom. Tonox tea cakes. Oh, Tonox tea cakes. That's a Scottish thing, isn't it? I'm pretty sure that's a Scottish thing. Yeah. So that was your favorite kind of snack over it? It became an obsession. I ate like five boxes and then I took like two I took two back home and it was just like like prizing them. They were so so rich. It was just so good. I don't know. It was so good. Well, you come back over. We'll have to take you for some proper London pie mash and liquor. Have you ever had pie mash and liquor? I don't think so. You're missing a trick. I'm telling you, pie mash and nicker is the way forward. And to really push the boat out, jelly deals. Jelly deals. Jelly deals. I'll tell you, no one actually likes it here, but it sounds good and it sounds British, but uh it's I didn't I did not I did not like uh black pudding. I love black. White pudding is even better. I will say this though. I only I might have ate it wrong because I've heard now that you thin it thinly slice it and put an egg on it and stuff like that. Yeah. I just haven't within Martin just gave us like a sausage link of it like this and I just picked it up and took a huge bite out. Oh no. Oh god. Yeah, that's not the one. That might be why. Got to dip it in baked beans as well, mate. That's uh when you're truly submerged. Yeah. Tin plum tomatoes is the way forward. Oh, you're making me hungry now. Right. Yeah, you guys are making me hungry, too. Like, sounds pretty good. Moving on. Anyway, I've got a couple more questions and I'm going to hand over to Ronnie because I feel like I've been talking for ages here, but uh but yeah, it's it was it was awesome seeing you guys over here and I I think it was just something truly unique and like you said with Lance kind of paving that way. Um, I'm I'm just interested to see how it pans out this year, next year, going forwards and uh because it's going to be something incredible and people want to get going to get get involved with it. Um, but yeah, I suppose one thing we haven't really talked about is is your music, funny enough. We talked about how you kind of got into it and where you you came about and you know in the leadup to anyone coming on the show me and Ronnie kind of deep dive and listen to all the songs and you know uh it makes me laugh the story that Kat tells me about uh Josh Mitchum's favorite song being Copperhead probably because she played it 3,000 times so I don't think he had much of a choice but um but yeah Ronnie was listening to it as well and he goes that's that's a bit of me Um, that's a bit of me. It is. Yeah, there's several that are a bit of me. Um, but that one especially. What's What's that What's that mean? I'm not sure on that term. So, a bit of me is like I love that one. That's I can relate. I can relate to that. That's what I would I would go to. I'd listen to and I'd blast out in my truck driving down the road to work. Yeah, man. Oh, well, awesome. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, it sounds good. and and I can hear, you know, there's a lot of outlaw country for anyone wanted to get get involved in Daniel's music. You the grunge influences are there for sure. Uh my f personal favorite was Time Time to Go. Uh love that one. And uh is that one of your something we've only got one in common. Oh well. And then uh I I was I was thinking earlier because I thought it just sounds like a sound I know it seems cliche but like a soundtrack to a movie or a series. And I thought what could I hear that in? And do you ever see the series Justified with Timothy Olifant? I think that was filmed in Kentucky or was Kentucky based and uh I haven't but I believe Sarah has and I I've definitely heard of a lot of people loving that show. I'm a geek for that but I can hear it and and stuff like that, man. And it's got that kind of cinematic vibe. So yeah, anyone wanting to kind of I appreciate that dig into it. You you've got a few on Spotify and you've got the EP that was more recently um recorded. Uh it just sounds fantastic, mate. Um, so have you got any anything else kind of recorded at the moment? Anything else that you're doing? Yeah, that's what I was going to let you know. I've got I've got like so much almost half of my show is probably just unreleased stuff that I play right now because I've just been writing and writing and writing and and playing and that's it. And so we I I don't have dates to tell you or anything, but yeah, there's definitely a lot of music getting cooked up. Um, it's I I I really like leaning into the grungginess of things. So, it's a lot of it's leaning in more even that way. And there's like a couple songs I'm really excited about right now that I just can't wait to release. But um there's also I can't guarantee you guys anything right until it happens. But good chance that I'll be back in England next year. Oh, spilling the beans. I see. I will. I will be seeing you there. Although I'm not sure. I'm a bit worried about hanging around with Daniel too much. The amount of near-death experiences he's had. I I think I haven't had I'm on the edge. I'm ready to go. There you go. It's been a while. I will say I, you know, I honestly I kind of think it's like I haven't really gotten sick from CO since that one time because I'm like I bet my immune system is like an ox now. And Daniel, you hang around with me long enough and you'll have COVID more times than you can you can count your fingers. Ridiculous. I've been there, done it, flown a flag, and worn a t-shirt. Yeah. Well, Ronnie, I'm I'm going to hand over to you, mate. Uh because yeah, why not? Um I was just making some notes actually of what you were just saying, so I wasn't I wasn't ignoring you. Um but there is a there's a couple of things that I wanted to ask you. Um and um we've missed your game. I thought you were going to do a game today, TJ. No, no, it's it's coming up. You've ruined you ruined a surprise. Oh, well, well, it's not a anyway, so um so we started a playlist a million years ago. Uh well, TJ started a playlist cuz he does all the magical technical stuff. Um he's a whiz at that sort of stuff. Um, but we've asked every artist that here um that have joined us um what two songs uh that we should add to the to our playlist that reflects your work so that our listeners uh can check you out and and understand what we're talking about now. Cool. Two songs and you want me to choose? Only two cuz I've got in trouble the last four artists that we've interviewed and given songs out left front and center. So, You're not very good at explaining it either. So, it's got to be your songs that you've recorded. Um, yeah. And two, have I not just said that? Sometimes you don't explain things very well, so I have to I have to chime in. Anyway, let's stop bickering a pair of old old women. Yeah, I'll let Can I let you guys choose between one of the two for for one of them? Yeah. Which because I don't want to say Copperhead and Time to go, but one of those will be one of them. So you you guys get to choose between that copperhead or time to go. Maybe I just started another fight. I don't know. But uh as long as I can fight for it, it's fine. I'll win. And then and then uh I I guess I'm thinking either Fall or Get Away on the other one. Fall is like, you know, Fall's like this acoustic love song, very different from the rest. Get Away and and and Fall and Get Away are both The reason I'm saying those, if you're like, "Why is he being this difficult?" Fall and Get Away are off my acoustic EP, so it's just me and my guitar and like the birds you hear in the background are like real birds just chirping in the background. Um, so I like that it's just the unplugged just as raw as it gets. No, nothing. I mean, it's just like me and that and the mic and the guitar. And then the other two are studio cuts. So, you know, it's a lot of, you know, the whole band in there and a really clean mic and a really controlled audio room. So, I'd say either of those. I'll let you guys choose. I Yeah, we'll we'll have a little discussion afterwards. Otherwise, we'll be on here all night. Having a having a um so that's cool. I like that. No, thank you. Um what I al I my next question is about um is personal to you again is around uh if you've if you can tell us your best album or single that you've heard in the last 10 years. We've changed this up a bit. Five years, 10 years. I'm going to say 10 years released in the last five to 10. No, the ones that you the best that you've listened to. So the best one that you would go to and you'd say, "Right, I've listened to that. I love it. It's amazing. And it got released since 10 years ago or Okay. So, it's at the oldest the record's 10 years old, you're saying? Yeah. Okay. The whole record cuz that'll help me choose. Yeah. Or just a song. Let's go. Let's go. Yes. Do what you like. Oh, man. 10 years is a long time. It is. Let's maybe I should make it five. Let's do five. Let's Let's go. Let's do five. The first people to come to me when you say five years is that would be since 2020. Probably the Red Clay Strays. Guys listen to them. You guys listen to them. Yeah. We were trying to get tickets recently for him because they're playing in the UK uh imminently. I would love incredible. I got to see them only like five rows back last year at Laurel Cove Music Festival. It was wow awesome. I say them because they have absolutely excited when they started to excite me. They excited me like no other group or artist has ever excited me. Like in terms of like me feeling like I don't know like I I just I was just fan from day one on them. That's what I would say is probably the best in the five years. 10 years that opens it up. I don't know. I've grown a whole lot. Yeah. 30 I was 20. We've got it. That's perfect. And then uh we'll say the actual record that is is the Made by the These Moments record, the one that came out last year. Yeah, that's a great killer record. What about y'alls? I'm curious about yours. What's yours, Ronnie? This isn't about us. Ronnie doesn't know. I can say I've got I've got lots actually, but mine's very old school, whereas TJ is very like Barbie girl and all that sort of stuff. So, in the last 10 years, Ron is the expert when it comes to classic country and old stuff. See, I'm not so well verssed, but for me, the last 10, 15 years, Tyler Chilleders for sure. Um, he's he was the guy I was struggling with. Yeah, he so good. that kind of really got me back into things. Um, uh, Flatland Calvary stuff, uh, has resonated in the last five years. Uh, and the Jesse Williams band, uh, within the last year. I keep banging on about Jesse Williams in a way that she's probably weirded out by me so much. But I think that's might be from you all is where I found that. And I think that stuff's killer. Yeah, it's her new especially the the new one of the new songs that she just released uh is is unreal. I've listened to it so many times. But um yeah, old school for me, I would definitely say um this is well past 10 years. Well, actually, no, I'm going to say Adam Hood, who we've actually had on here as an artist, 2018. Um The Shape of Things, the album that he released. Um unbelievable album. Just unbelievable. you. I listen I I I jam that deep Ellen Blues song. Come on. Yeah. Honestly, if I'm having a bad day, I put that on. I'd open all the windows in the truck that I can. Like play it the loudest I can. And it just makes you have the most amazing day afterwards, isn't it? So, yeah. There we go. Same as you. Is that not one of the best lines? I got a pocket full of money making my pants too tight. That makes me go like, "Yeah, I just want to flex after that." I want to see you play that live next time on some. All right, I might work that one up then. That'd be cool. And then just to add on to that album, um because I it's one of the songs that just blows me away all the time is Once They're Gone. Uh and that has touched me more times you can imagine, let me tell you. But um unbelievable. So uh yeah. How'd you like that, TJ? Um, I got to throw in Sturggil Simpson, too. He's Oh, yeah. I can't not mention. We went to We went to go and see him, actually. We did see. Oh, that's awesome. Almost forgot about that. Yeah. TJ was a little bit inebriated and fell up the stairs. Jack in the concert. Up the stairs. So, yeah, up the stairs with two drinks in his hands, including mine. So, I'd remind him about that because I don't explain things so well, apparently. Um, anyway, Daniel, more about you. Let's go back to you. So, um, as you know, the Rugger Revival, we like to say, is a community, right? And what we try to do is get artists on, emerging talent on here that we can sort of give a shove or a push in the right direction to say, "Look, this is your voice. This is about you. This is all about you, where you've come from, what you've done, uh, and where you're going." And we like to identify emerging talent, emerging artists, and we love to bring them on to come and talk to them. So, have you seen personally, have you seen any emerging talent or artists um that you would like to give a shout on here and say, "You know what? Have a look, see where they are. Maybe, you know, let's go and see if they want to come on." Yeah. H that's a really good question. I I I feel like I'm surrounded by a lot of emerging talent all the time. First name to come to mind to me that I want to say to you guys is a guy named Dale Blankenship. Have you heard that name yet? I just played a couple shows with him. I just to I just had a weekend of shows with him uh two weeks ago maybe. Maybe maybe it was last week. I don't know. But he's really great. He's at a small town out of Ohio but up along the Appalachins. And uh man, I just think he's got a killer killer um heart. I can already tell. I like the way he looks at things personally. Um, and he's got this five song EP he's come out with called Strange and it's just I think he's got I think it's clever. I think it's really good and I have a really good feeling about where he's going to end up regardless if I tell you anything or not. But he is he's definitely emerging right now. So, I would say check him out. Amazing. Definitely go and check him out. We certainly will. Uh, I know TJ's probably already done that because he's been nodding away. Um but I I'll definitely go and check him out and and see. So um yeah, thank you for that. Um so what I've only got two or three more questions I want to ask you. Um one is around uh emerging talent, emerging artists um that you see uh looking back on your time from where you've come from, what you've done um in your music career and where it's going. Is there any advice or guidance you would give to any emerging talent or emerging artists? I mean, I want to start that answer by saying I myself am very much still emerging at best. You know, I I don't ever want to be out here being like, you know, I know better and I I don't, right? I also will say I don't have answers. I only have thoughts. That's the way I like try to stay out of trouble. But uh not with you guys, but people will bring a hatchet to anything, man. Just I mean, side note, I just made a post the other day saying like I want a health-based eery where I live and like I could just tell I was like fringing on some people. It's like how to I'm just on my personal page. You you cannot say anything and not piss people off. But yeah, you are so controversial, man. How dare you say so, right? That long that long hair. Uh, he's left-handed. Burn [Laughter] him. It's like a witch. But, uh, I would say I mean there's a lot of things I would say really. I would say I don't know. Let me think on it for 10 seconds and we can just edit it out if you guys need to. But I don't want to just blab an answer. What would I give to emerging? Okay. If because I'm going off how I'm feeling right now, I would say um lean into every feeling that you have along the way instead of running from the ones you're scared what people will think. Yeah. So, so as an artist and I'm saying like when it comes to creating and your craft and writing, whatever you're probably scared to say is probably the thing that's actually going to be like worth saying. And I'm saying this as a guy who struggled with it myself. So like, you know, that that's what I would say. I'd say lean into because that's what I'm telling myself right now is lean into the things that you don't want to always have to talk about but like it's probably the thing that means something. So the other thing if I was just going to say anything else is um practice is performance and performance is practice. So like that's how I deal with if I show up and play to nobody. It's like you're still practicing what you do and you're still performing and because what you do for practice is to perform and like also when I'm at home to like try because I say practice is performance and perform it. So those are two things. Brilliant advice. Thank you very much. Uh one last question from me uh and it's around your top three goals. So, I've asked so many artists this and it's a question that I love to ask and uh hopefully we'll revisit uh in a in a in a little while to see how their goals have got on. But no matter how long it would be, could be in the next three, five years, 3 to 6 months, for the rest of your career. What is Daniel Kane's top three goals with career? You're saying anything? Anything can be anything. Top three goals in anything. It's a really good question. Develop goals. No, I'm just kidding. Um, as cliche as these things sound, make a positive impact on the world and culture if possible. Even if that's very quiet, even if it doesn't serve my ego. Leave the world a better place than I left it. hopefully that my presence was worth something for positivity, you know, and that doesn't mean happiness, just true whatever whatever true good is that we might none of us might even know, you know, that's that's probably the first goal. Yeah. Oh, that's Gosh, I don't know, man. I'm really bad with those kind of questions. Um cuz I'm the type to like be like, "Oh, no, that's not later, but what the hell?" Um gosh, top three goals in general. And you said they can be temporary, too. Like can be temporary, can be whenever they want. Yeah. Just jump into it. Just jump into it. First goal, make a positive impact. Got it. Second goal, like release an album. That's like my biggest goal right now. Like for real, it's like I just want to put out more music so bad right now and and keep it going and and build and and on top of that is is to build like hopefully an entire discoraphy where I achieve like um a real flow and signature of what my creativity is like to discover that is what I'm still totally involved in. And this doesn't mean it's like higher or lower when I say this goal too. But the third goal is um to I mean I'd really like to create a family and one that you know I hope there's something that lives on past me and and set them up for a life they can get through. And I don't know, you know, I don't think we can ever control that, but that's still a goal of mine. Incredible. Say that's it. You've done really well for being put on the spot there in about two or three minutes. You've gone done it. I love it. And we'll we'll revisit them one one time when we get to meet again in the near near future whenever. But anyway, I have uh I have taken far too much your time now. TJ, over to you. I only have a couple more things, mate, because I know we've been blabbing fun. I'm like, this is fun. As long as you're having fun, mate. Um, but yeah, I I think, you know, going back to the slogan we talked about earlier, and I thought no pain, no cane. You can have that on a t-shirt. That is hard. I like that. That's nice. Create some merch. I'll take 5%, but uh yeah, you can. I'll have to give you I'll do tings on that. I'll give you a tip. Well, I thought we Write that down. Yeah, man. Yeah. See, it's amazing, isn't it? I should be a a writer, too. You should Don't encourage me. Nope. Nope. Fair enough. If you got a heart, you got a beat. And if you got soul, you got rhythm. Absolutely. I've got Appalachin Soul. That's the other t-shirt I got upstairs. There you go. That's awesome. Well, I I thought we'd try and kind of end things on a on a a nice light-hearted note. And uh I mentioned earlier I love looking through people's socials to kind of just see what's going on, see what funny things are happening. I love looking through yours because you just kind of say things as you see it. And uh so I thought we'd play a quick game of did Daniel say it? I could probably come up a better title for it, but the I'm going to ask Ronnie now uh some I'm gonna put it to him some statements and he's got to figure out whether you said it. You [ __ ] whether it's a true Daniel Kane statement. Oh, that's hilarious. You got me on that one, didn't you? You bastard. I've been waiting for that all night. Eagerly. You could not wait. Yeah. Oh, you got me. So, Ronny, are are you ready? Are you ready for this? Wait, I've got two signs cuz I couldn't find a thumbs up or a thumbs down. So, I found a no and I found a That's a middle finger. Yeah. And I found a yes. Yes. No. Ready? Oh, this is probably the worst podcast you've ever been on, mate. Yeah, we have fun. We have fun. Yeah, that's for as long as I ramble on. That's all. No, it's all interesting stuff. It's when it gets to our our ridiculous uh tidbits that people probably switch off. But we'll keep at it. And uh so Ronny, are you ready? I'm going to read out some either genuine Daniel Kaine statuses or you got to figure out whether whether they're false. So the first one is you can't contain the container. True or false? True. Is it true, Daniel? It's true. This is hilarious. This is one of my favorite podcast for this game alone. This is really funny to me. Ones you'll be on. Here's another one. So I have a man crush on Warren Zetas. I want to be him so badly. Did Daniel say it or did you not say it? I'm gonna go No. No. I'll do two more. This these ones. Oh, that's hilarious. The next one is It would take only one Daniel Kane to beat the [ __ ] out of a gorilla. Yes. I can I can imagine you saying that, Daniel, but uh is it true or false, mate? It's false. I didn't say that. Oh, man. I'm sure you did say something about a gorilla at some point, but I did. I I'm trying to remember. I'd said um I might even fight a gorilla. When I was promoting the show a couple weeks ago, I said I might even fight a gorilla. I was give away all my worldly possessions to watch you fight a gorilla. Yeah, I probably would too because it'd probably die. Probably not. I'd be giving it all away. Obviously, no animals were helmed in this in this section. Just this animal. And my last one. This This is tricky. This one. You could do anything you set your mind to. Yes. Even teleportation and time travel. Did Daniel say it? I'm going to air on the side of caution and say no. I said it. [Laughter] I mean shot for everyone else wrong. Do it again. Do it again. I thought that was quite a fun game to play. I love that. That was fun. Well done. I do say some random [ __ ] Anyway, very good. So, a lot of times I'll have an inner monologue with the things I say or want to say. So, like that day I just wanted to say something motivational. A lot of times it's like note to self stuff for myself and I'm like, "Hey, maybe someone else can benefit from that. I would be so selfish." And then I always think about like like and that and sometimes I'll think of it in like where someone's like, "Oh yeah, even time travel." And so I remember posting it and I was like before I posted it I went and yes even so deep. So deep man. God this has been incredible. I tell you told you we we'll end on a light note. There we go. Um yeah. So, I think I don't want to bore you with any more questions really, but but I thought you need but I'm I'm literally It's a rainy day out here. I'm probably going to go work out after and that's it. Like to say we do the same, but uh we'd be lying if you if you if you know us well. But uh but I think we'll we'll probably end it to say, you know, you mentioned earlier as he's holding up more signs. You know what? I'm just going to turn this camera off. Edit all of that out. All of your jokes. Um yeah, the the last thing. Um, you mentioned potentially coming back to the UK and Ronnie missed this really because he's the gossip queen of the rugged revival and I'm surprised he hasn't pushed you more on on plans to come back to the UK and and uh what what what you might be doing if you can tell us anything at this stage. I would definitely be playing music. I'll say it like that. I don't don't want to um say anything more just because I really don't like to count chickens before they hatch, but there's a festival that's looking likely to happen and um and and and potentially we're going to just set up another tour like last year around it. Amazing. Yeah. Fantastic. Be really cool if it does, but I don't I don't want to spill the beans otherwise because then what's the excitement? But exactly. Yeah. Just for for Ronny's uh own entertainment. So we we'll move on past them anyway. But uh but look, man, it's been a real pleasure having you on, Daniel. It's been fun. It's been awesome getting to know you. You know, you you've revealed and shared so much. It's been uh you know, it's been emotional, mate. You know, it's been good. So, I'm I'm looking forward to you coming back. We'll have a beer uh at this time and yeah, spend some time and and maybe even uh if you've seen our new grit sessions, get involved in that. That's something that we're we're doing. And if I if I'm over there and you want to This is me saying it right now. I'll totally do that. I would love to. Oh, you're a legend, mate. You're an absolute legend. Well, cuz Ronny's so good at doing this. It I always let Ronny do the final message because he normally [ __ ] it up completely. Um, but so there's no pressure. We won't stare right at you while you're doing it. Daniel, what what he seems to forget all the time. He's got a memory like a sie. Um, is that I do some comments at the end from some of the artists cuz I like as TJ like doing, we like doing a bit of a deep dive into people's socials and seeing what people are commenting about and after they've seen your shows. So, I'd like to end on a high by giving you some comments that people have made about you. Um, but there there is one comment I had to put in there. But TJ is gonna be gutted when we end this because he is your number one fan. And now that we've be speaking tonight, I'm probably your number two fan. Um, but these are the some of the comments that people have made after seeing you play. Daniel Kane isn't just singing songs. He's telling, oh no, it's that word I can't say. Appalachian stories with a modern outlaw twist. If you're looking for country music that hits you in the heart and the gut, Daniel Kane's your guy. Raw, real, and rooted, Daniel's music feels like it was carved straight from Kentucky soil. He's got the grit of Whan, the soul of Sturgill, and a voice that stops you my you midscroll. Daniel Ka brings the kind of honesty to country music that you can't fake. Every lyric feels lived in. Listeners say he had them hooked within the first three words, and we believe it. a rising gem in the Americana scene. Daniel Kaine is one to keep your ears on. Now, we can't really say it better than that. Uh, you've been incredible. It's been an absolute pleasure to speak to you tonight. Um, it's been wonderful meeting you. Thank you for putting up for with us, especially TJ. Um, but Daniel, if you've got a drink nearby, uh, we're going to raise a toast, right? And I'm going to try and say [ __ ] it up this time. So, we're going to raise a toast to the grit, the grind, and to the revival. Cheers everyone for listening. Cheers, Daniel. Cheers. Cheers, bro. Cheers, brothers.

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Keeping Traditional Folk Music Alive in Nashville | Mike Tod Podcast

Mike Tod joins Camden to discuss traditional folk music, Canadian roots, life in Nashville, forgotten songs, unusual instruments and why preserving musical history still matters today.Originally from Canada and now based in Nashville, Mike explores the stories behind traditional songs, the connections between folk music around the world and how old music continues to influence modern artists. We also discuss his unique "Crankenstein" instrument, musical curiosity, collecting songs from the past and the importance of keeping traditions alive for future generations.Chapters00:00 Introduction00:00:30 Growing Up in Canada00:02:20 Discovering Music & The Crankenstein00:04:10 The Story Behind The Crankenstein00:05:20 Drones, Folk Traditions & Ancient Music00:08:10 Learning Guitar & Performing Original Songs00:09:40 Accessing Traditional Music in the Digital Age00:11:20 Researching Music History00:12:10 Playing The Crankenstein Live00:14:00 Creating Atmospheric Sounds & Live Performance00:16:00 Traditional Songs & Musical Origins00:17:50 The Artists Influencing Mike Today00:19:20 Studying Philosophy & Creative Thinking00:22:00 Horror, Heavy Music & Folk Culture00:24:00 Scottish Heritage & Family History00:27:10 Final ThoughtsSubscribe to The Rugged Revival. Share it with your friends. Support independent music!Listen to the full podcast on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6wnHcgA73o1aiiKaz882vH?si=30aabdaa220a4628Follow The Rugged Revival:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theruggedrevival/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theruggedrevivalFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100094507520679Website: www.theruggedrevival.comEmail: ruggedrevival@hotmail.com

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